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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back to the midnight hour show

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my name is stephen cambion also known as

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the mystery man and tonight i will be

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your guide on a very special journey

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into a myriad of subjects related to

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ufos

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tonight we're going to be discussing

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alien crash landings

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back engineering

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alien technology

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possible structures on the moon the

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secret space program and how

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maybe just maybe all of these things may

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be related

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and tonight my friends i have a very

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special guest to share with you a man

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named donny brook who has been

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investigating these things for some time

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so tonight i'm going to

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bring him on and get his unique

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perspective having studied these things

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don't you want to know what he has found

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after looking into these things for

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years and years

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well my friends i think our guest

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tonight can help us get just a little

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bit closer to the truth

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let's get

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my special guest tonight donnie brook

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has been standing by on the mystery

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phone

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friends and without further ado

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let's

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get

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listen i have a whole list of questions

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and i thought we would start off

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uh

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i'd like you to just if you could tell

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my listeners about your background and

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how you got into some of these strange

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and esoteric subjects

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okay

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well when i was a kid there was two

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things that i wanted to be when i grew

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up you know when we're kids like we

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think about what we want to do i wanted

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to either be a pro wrestler or a country

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music singer now i found out that i

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couldn't sing so i pretty much knew that

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wasn't going to happen so i was gunning

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for the pro wrestling side in which it

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happened

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um i started training in 1989 when i was

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a senior in high school

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and actually had my first match right

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after graduation

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which was in 1990 um

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i started to slow down

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back in 2010 i guess is what i would say

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2010 maybe 2011.

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um didn't really take many bookings

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because the business has changed had

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changed so much

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but back in 2005 i remember watching a

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documentary

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before and i just watched it this

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particular day and i was and it just

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made me think on this particular day i

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watched it and it just made me think and

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but the documentary was the day after

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roswell

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now anyone that's in the ufology they

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have heard of

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the roswell event they may not know a

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lot about it but it's familiar to them

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sure and i started to think about it and

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i'm like okay

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if just half of what's said in this

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documentary is true if

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just have

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then the reality of everything in our

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world

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may not be what we've been told or to or

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thought and ever since then on my spare

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time i've just been reading books

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watching documentaries watching lectures

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going to lectures

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just gather information on the subject

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and the different events to

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try to understand why we don't have some

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answers to a lot of these questions

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yeah and we talked a little bit off the

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air and you have kind of an interesting

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perspective of connecting the dots that

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i haven't really heard very many people

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talk about i mean usually people are

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into one thing or the other but you and

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i talked about roswell and the secret

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space program and back engineering can

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you tell us a little bit of what you

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think is going on after all your

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research and studying

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sure yeah like i said it's been about 10

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that i guess

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after everything i've heard people say

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both military and civilian

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i believe this is the gist of the

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technological advancements

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that our country has achieved behind

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the scenes if you will

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what that got what got

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all of our technological boom going was

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project horizon now project horizon if

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folks don't know

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that was a proposal for us to have a

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military outpost on the moon during the

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cold war

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now the official story is that it was

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proposed to president eisenhower but he

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respectfully turned it down because he

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didn't have the money nor the technology

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i don't believe that howard went

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now the reason i believe that project

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and i'm going to kind of jump it forward

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and kind of jump back and i apologize

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about doing that but the reason i think

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project horizon became a reality

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or something like it may be the same

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type of project and maybe they called it

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something else but

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when gary mckinnon packed into that nasa

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database and i believe it was in 2003 he

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found evidence of non-terrestrial

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officers now that intrigued me more than

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the secret spaceship thing

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because when i heard that my thought was

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well project horizon would have been a

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military outpost on the moon and we

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would need people to run it they would

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be non-terrestrial officers holy crap

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project horizon must happen or something

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like it so i believe

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we were on the moon before 1969

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okay so but how we got there a lot of

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everything that i have heard people say

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military and civilian

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about the united states government the

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military the pentagon working with

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aliens on advancements on technology

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i believe that's going on i really do i

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know that sounds crazy

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the reason i believe that is because if

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have non-terrestrial officers the

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closest place is the moon now we don't

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have the technology to send a bunch of

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rockets to the moon with material

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without anybody knowing about it and

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building a facility

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the only way we could get there and

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attempt to have something is somebody

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would already have to be there that's

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more technologically advanced than we

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are and they invited us

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now the reason i believe that happened

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has a lot to do with president

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alleged and i say alleged because i

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wasn't there in the 50s

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meeting with an alien race at holloman

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air force base i believe he was there i

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believe he made a deal and i and i call

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it the eisenhower treaty i don't know if

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anyone else refers to that as that but

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that's what i call it yeah

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i've heard other people say exactly that

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or the islamic eisenhower accord or

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something right in fact

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honestly that's one of my favorite

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stories in ufology

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and there is

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some there is more than a few witnesses

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that would support that something like

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that happened

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uh i've heard a lot of evidence to

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support that story it's not just oh yes

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yeah and when when president eisenhower

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made that deal

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my understanding is they said we will

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help you with technology and you have to

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give us something now i have no idea

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what he promised them obviously but i

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believe it had to have happened

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okay so that gets us to the moon which

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is the beginning stages of this secret

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space program

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because you get to the moon you get your

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feet wet in a new situation and they

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that we started to allegedly

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i think it was the year that they

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started to teach us stealth technology

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because it's kind of unique we started

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looking into something new the same year

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of this alleged treaty

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so i do believe the stealth was a

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hand-me-down technology

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it's kind of like you take a you take a

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kid okay he's going into first grade

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never been to school except for his

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you don't give them a 12th grade math

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book you give them a first grade math

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book because they have got to graduate

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their education i guess is what i want

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to say they're learning up to the 12th

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grade level that's what we have to do

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we have the stealth technology

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which is kind of like what nick pope

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said it's like a hand-me-down technology

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so that we can get to where they are

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if they're so much more advanced because

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we could not back engineer something if

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we don't know what we're looking at

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they're gonna have to help us

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you know so all the back engineering i

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believe is being done but our our people

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are being helped

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and it's just like one of von braun um

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said that you know you know he he got us

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to the moon but he had some help he

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admitted that

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he said they helped us and we all know

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what he meant by they

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they helped us and they've been doing it

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yeah there seems to be some evidence to

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support that there seems to be

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you know uh

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some evidence to support

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you know there's ufo crash retrieval

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stories there's these stories about

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uh i i like the gary mckinnon story as

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well because i you know

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that they wouldn't went out of their way

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to prosecute him like they did unless he

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really did find something or get into

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something that they would prefer he did

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not get into

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that is exactly true he was in england

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and he

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hacks into the computer system he gets

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arrested he does not deny doing it

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he goes to jail he does not get

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extradited to the united states

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and then they drop the charges

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now my thing is okay if they did drop

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the charges

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they decided to

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not prosecute merely because

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whatever he found would have been

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evidence in a trial

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so what do you do you drop the charges

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and discredit and just deny deny deny

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and eventually it'll go away

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yeah that's why

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there hasn't been any official

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you know acknowledgement of what he

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actually

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found or you know what

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i mean if you if you read the court

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documents and stuff it's it's really

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unclear

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is that correct you know the only person

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that we can really go on here is gary

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himself because he was the one that did

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the hacking

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and he said he found evidence of

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non-terrestrial officers and united

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states

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excuse me secret spaceships i mean

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it's obvious he hacked into the system

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he was arrested for it so you have to

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pretty much say okay if he said he found

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these two things you got to give him the

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benefit of the doubt that he's telling

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the truth because there's no evidence

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he'd lied

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and i mean think about it you know we've

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the tr-3b and the tr-6 telos ever since

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that hacking has popped up intel on that

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has popped out you know

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around you know whistleblowers and what

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have you so

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i believe the man i believe he found

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that stuff

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you know there's no way for us to know

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just exactly what's going on within the

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secret space program we just know that

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there is one you know of course you know

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i wish i knew it'd be kind of cool to

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know but i don't know i just know that

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it exists i feel like that it does exist

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you know all these people that say we

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have one i believe them

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i don't believe everything i hear i

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investigate weird things that i hear

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because to me

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if something sounds out languished out

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well that's not the right word just

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crazy let me just say it like that

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it's either an incredible lie or an

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incredible truth

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and it's like paranormal

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investigations you know with spirits you

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go into a location to debunk the claims

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and when you can't debunk them you got

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something

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that's like that where you followed you

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that's how i look at things you know

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um

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i think bibles are

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is real

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a lot of people are poking holes in the

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story and i think that's because

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they just having a hard time wrapping

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themselves the mind around the truth

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yeah i don't know

347
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i i used to believe that bob lazar story

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but after a thorough uh

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investigation into it i really believe

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that he's a con man that's my personal

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belief i know a lot of people believe

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him yeah and and that and that's fine

353
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and that's a hundred percent fine to

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think that because there's no law

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against having that opinion

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but

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my good feeling's telling me the man is

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real and i'm just going to leave it at

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that because

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there's no way for me to

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confirm he is or confirm he's not

362
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there's no way i can because i can't

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walk out to go out to where he was and

364
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physically see what he did i mean i just

365
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got to

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listen to it and say okay well i guess

367
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we'll see because in ufology

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if you're on the outside looking in what

369
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you have to do

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is

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go on allegements

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make it an

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opinion i guess is what i want to say to

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what you believe and then put

375
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all of those facts in line and come up

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with a theory

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because

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that would that gets someone closer to

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answers

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and maybe it'll help answer

381
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questions it could

382
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but that's where i'm going with bob i

383
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mean i think he's i think he's real and

384
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i know some people think he's a con man

385
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but the reason that i think he's real is

386
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because of a certain person

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said to me in an email

388
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and i'm gonna i don't know if i should

389
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say their name but they said donny i

390
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can't even get could i once upon a time

391
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i couldn't even get that man to even

392
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acknowledge the term ufo

393
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but after he went out to s4

394
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he brought the subject up to me and

395
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that's what the person said now

396
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if that's true i don't know because i

397
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don't know the man personally i mean i'm

398
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just going on what he has come forward

399
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and what he has said

400
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and i'm just going to go with it that

401
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the man's to tell the truth

402
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and until somebody shows me that he's

403
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not which could be because he's human

404
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he's human i don't know i uh i uh

405
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,680
you know i grew up with that story it's

406
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one you you mentioned the

407
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:17,839
uh philip corso and the day after

408
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roswell is something that ignited you

409
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with interest in this field and for me

410
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it was the bob lazar story when i was a

411
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kid and i bought the i bought the flying

412
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saucer model and i bought the tape that

413
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he was selling

414
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the problem the major problem that i

415
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have is that you you start looking into

416
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it and you and then you start to find

417
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another lie and another lie and another

418
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,720
lie i did this special report and and

419
00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:46,639
you know on larry king he said that the

420
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:49,759
craft were 52 feet in diameter but in

421
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his original drawings he said the hangar

422
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bay doors were 40 feet wide

423
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i know that's a i know that's a little

424
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thing but to me it's a big thing because

425
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how does it how does a 52 foot diameter

426
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spacecraft fit in and out of a 40

427
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40 foot hangar bay door

428
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and and the list goes on and on his

429
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education is a lie the badge he supplied

430
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is not real the w-2 that he supplied i i

431
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took to a forensic document examiner

432
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that's not real you know

433
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well i'm proud of you i'm i'm glad you

434
00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:25,199
mentioned w-2 i want to tell you a story

435
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sure sure some and listen i hope i hope

436
00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:30,160
that we can be friends and just disagree

437
00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:30,840
oh

438
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absolutely a debate a conversation

439
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because some people get pissed you know

440
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:37,120
some people will get missed you know

441
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that's the last thought now it's a topic

442
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:42,000
of conversation you know um a certain

443
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:45,280
person that was that was former military

444
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,480
that knows bob personally

445
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,640
i can't say his name but i will say this

446
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,480
the person's on my friend's list on on

447
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facebook i'll take that

448
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they

449
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told me about

450
00:18:01,909 --> 00:18:00,559
a situation to where

451
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they had

452
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and asked his

453
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,240
ceo or superior about it

454
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:14,640
the ceo basically took it

455
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,880
put it in the shredder and said i don't

456
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:18,799
ever want to see that again or you will

457
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,400
be a very

458
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upset private or something to that

459
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:25,840
effect in other words evidently

460
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:28,320
it must have been something must be real

461
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:29,919
about the man's story and about his

462
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:31,280
background that's where i'm going with

463
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:32,880
that now

464
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once again

465
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,880
i can't prove that i can't prove it

466
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:39,200
didn't happen i'm just saying

467
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:40,880
it's one of those things where we're on

468
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:42,799
the outside looking in and we are going

469
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,440
to

470
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analyze it the way we do

471
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and i have chosen to believe the story

472
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and you respectfully have chosen not

473
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which is fine good lord there's a lot

474
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:53,120
worse things in this world that could

475
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:55,440
happen other than two people disagreeing

476
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:57,039
on that yeah well that's good that we

477
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:58,720
can do that because some people some

478
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:01,440
people just no big deal it gets it gets

479
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:03,919
lively and it gets real contentious i

480
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:06,400
would rather be friends and say

481
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:08,640
look we can discuss it here's why i

482
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:10,559
believe it's fake and you can tell me

483
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,120
why you believe that it's real and i

484
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,960
think you're talking i think i know who

485
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,559
you're talking about who's also on my

486
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:18,640
friend's list and wrote the book on

487
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uh the sr-71 blackbird recently right

488
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and like i said i don't have their

489
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permission to say their name so i'm not

490
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,240
going to do that no i think it's okay

491
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,320
he's told that story publicly so you

492
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,960
know you can you can do that and i i'm

493
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friends with him as well and i think he

494
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:35,520
wouldn't mind he's supposed to come on

495
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,000
my show soon but uh we can't we keep

496
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,679
missing each other so

497
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,360
i wonder how many people are sitting

498
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,880
there thinking who are they talking

499
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:44,080
about

500
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i can't say his money okay well i know

501
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:51,600
that jim goodall told a very similar

502
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,720
story to that and jim goodall is another

503
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,640
guy that he and i are friends but we

504
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:58,960
disagree on bob and uh he

505
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:01,679
knew bob when that was going on and

506
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,640
and uh you know in regard to that story

507
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,559
i don't know my father was a military

508
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,960
man and he was kind of a no-nonsense

509
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:10,559
like a lot of military men and when i

510
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,919
hear that story

511
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,039
yeah it could be that there was

512
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:15,120
something top secret and the and the

513
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,240
superior

514
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:18,159
officer said don't bother me with things

515
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,679
like this don't come in my office again

516
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:21,120
with things like this or it could just

517
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:21,919
be

518
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,559
that he realized this was about some ufo

519
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,320
nonsense and he was a no-nonsense

520
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,320
military guy who said don't come in here

521
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,320
and bother me with this nonsense again

522
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:32,080
you know that's very true could be

523
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:33,360
either way

524
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,679
but the the the field this whole field

525
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,840
is like a hall of mirrors you know and

526
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,320
you gotta you gotta go through the

527
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,240
stories and you're right you have to

528
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,600
pick and choose what you're gonna

529
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,760
believe what you think is funk and and

530
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,240
move on and try to form some kind of

531
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,480
hypothesis about what's really going on

532
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:52,320
and that's what we're all doing we just

533
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,990
yeah the thing is is

534
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,320
you hear like i've heard so many people

535
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,760
you know like i said talk about the

536
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,080
eisenhower story so i've made the

537
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,840
decision like okay all these people are

538
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,280
talking about it and the one person

539
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,039
that's definitely talking about is laura

540
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,039
lauren eisenhower so okay

541
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,960
you get to a point where you gotta say i

542
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,720
believe this i don't believe this you

543
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,039
know and then you say okay this is my

544
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,919
guess this is my theory and i guess time

545
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,000
will tell we'll see what unfolds and

546
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,320
that's just how i look at things and

547
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,480
that's where my theory that i sent you

548
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,760
the other day

549
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:29,679
um is how that's found a base that

550
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:32,559
theory right there you know and we got

551
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,360
the secret space program okay

552
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:37,360
they're about to disclose it calling it

553
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,240
the space force okay

554
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,000
nobody's gonna see it for what it is

555
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,760
they're gonna think it's just some new

556
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,600
branch of the military and while

557
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:47,120
somebody like me says no it's been

558
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,640
enough about 40 years but they call it

559
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,960
solar warden oh no they down that kind

560
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,960
of thing you know that's conversations

561
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,720
i'll never get in with anyone because

562
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:56,000
you're not going to be able to convince

563
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,880
them

564
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:59,039
now it's just like stealth technology we

565
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,799
had stealth 20 years ago but we didn't

566
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,320
know about it in the general public or

567
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,240
what early 90s

568
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,320
so

569
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,320
why people

570
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:09,919
intelligent people

571
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:12,720
who call themselves intelligent

572
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,760
a society that says yes you know

573
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,840
we don't talk about ufos because we're

574
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,360
afraid of what people are going to think

575
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:21,440
of us but they don't stop and think well

576
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:22,640
you know

577
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:25,360
why it may be military

578
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:28,159
because when people say ufo

579
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,200
they're not

580
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,720
referring to that they're referring to

581
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,000
aliens

582
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,400
you know i heard there was a guy who was

583
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,080
a journalist in washington he was a

584
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,760
journalist for the hill

585
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,760
and i can't jordan phoebe and i believe

586
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,240
the man's name was he asked lucero

587
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,880
sanders one time said you know does the

588
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,280
president believe in ufos

589
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,679
now she smirked when he said that

590
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,440
and i'm thinking why didn't you just ask

591
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,799
it the way you

592
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,559
the way you meant it

593
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,080
but i'm thinking of myself why didn't

594
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,480
you say alien because i mean that's what

595
00:23:03,110 --> 00:22:59,840
people do

596
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,120
they refer to the term ufo meaning alien

597
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,039
and it's real confusing to people

598
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,480
and a ufo is unidentified

599
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:10,640
that's just like these three videos that

600
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,600
the navy has released i mean there's no

601
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,760
telling what that is i mean if it's us

602
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,799
or them

603
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:18,640
but if we've got solar warning we have

604
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:20,840
advanced technology it could be

605
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,080
us but it is unidentified i'm on the

606
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,159
fence on those videos i mean to me that

607
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,400
could be it could be anything it could

608
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,320
be anything yeah so we don't know

609
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,559
exactly what it is and the jury's still

610
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,559
out but it's interesting

611
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:37,440
that we're starting to get some trickle

612
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,000
of of what the government knows about

613
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,840
these things

614
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,320
exactly you know louis elizondo i mean

615
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,640
if you watch the very last

616
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,200
part i think it was a six episode

617
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,799
series the very last episode right

618
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,360
before the show went off the air a young

619
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,840
lady asked mr alexander

620
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,919
she said

621
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,440
and i'm a paraphraser because i don't

622
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,200
remember her exact words but she asked

623
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,400
him

624
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,360
was the general public ready for what

625
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,120
the truth is

626
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:10,799
he smiled

627
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,600
stood up and the show went off the air

628
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,240
so evidently

629
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,080
that's something he couldn't answer

630
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,000
because of what his answer would have

631
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,559
been yeah this is confusing this whole

632
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,240
no i i i know what you're talking about

633
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,880
but this this whole tts a thing is

634
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,960
confusing to me because you know the

635
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,039
pentagon said that this little alexander

636
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,799
had nothing to do with that a tip

637
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,440
program and he says he ran it so

638
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,679
again we get back to the hall of mirrors

639
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:39,760
and they have not addressed this other

640
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,950
to me it's really easy why they're gonna

641
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:46,480
say that

642
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,440
because

643
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,840
mr elizondo said that he pushed to have

644
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:51,120
these videos

645
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,640
declassified

646
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,400
okay

647
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,240
they agree to have them they agree for

648
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,159
them to be shown they declassified these

649
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,000
three videos

650
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,279
that show starts on the history channel

651
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:05,679
all the pentagon's got to do is change

652
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,799
their side of the story and it gets out

653
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,400
that louis alexander didn't have

654
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,039
anything to do with it then the general

655
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:15,360
public doubts the whole damn thing

656
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,039
and then they say oh it's it's too much

657
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,799
of a cabal i guess you would say you

658
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,960
know this person says one thing this

659
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:24,480
person says another we don't know what

660
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,520
to believe

661
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,080
it's a con it's a disinformation thing

662
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,080
in a way

663
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,080
yeah and we've seen we've seen that time

664
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,960
and time again like somebody comes out

665
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,120
and comes out with a story and then and

666
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,880
then the researchers sort of picked that

667
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,799
person apart it's happened with bob

668
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,039
lazar and to some extent it's happened

669
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,640
with phil corso and the day after

670
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:45,840
roswell

671
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,320
every story that comes out we get we get

672
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,159
two sides of the story like it might be

673
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,320
true but there's some things that

674
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,120
indicate this person's lying so

675
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:57,679
and it happened to one other person too

676
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,440
john burroughs sure yeah you know

677
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,960
it's happened to a lot of people

678
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,120
apparently yeah

679
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,279
john burroughs was up and he was in the

680
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,320
air force in 1980 uh rendelsome forest

681
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,159
incident he was out in the forest his

682
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,320
name is mentioned on colonel halt's

683
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,360
recording

684
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,440
but yet when he applied for his benefits

685
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,200
the air force said no he didn't enter

686
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,120
the air force in 80 he entered

687
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,279
the air force and i think their record

688
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,240
said 82 or 83. they were trying to erase

689
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,520
his records

690
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,159
to make his story that he's been telling

691
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,799
seem less credible yeah and and maybe a

692
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,159
lot of people don't know this but he

693
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,919
actually had to sue the government to

694
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:37,919
get his own medical records which is

695
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,720
crazy oh yeah yes sir that's exactly

696
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,240
right yes sir

697
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:44,000
and

698
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,000
um not getting the medical records of

699
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,159
let's say a spouse or a former spouse i

700
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,039
mean that's not you but your own records

701
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:55,279
i mean come on you know i mean i believe

702
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,990
yeah i like to render some story but i

703
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,679
always had a problem with the binary

704
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,080
message because it seems strange to me

705
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,279
that somebody would come from another

706
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,279
star system and then communicate in

707
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,679
binary which translate it to english

708
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:14,159
somehow it's just kind of weird to me

709
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:15,200
that's

710
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,559
actually said on an interview and i

711
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,320
agree with him that

712
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:23,840
and i think

713
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,480
sergeant penisten said this as well

714
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,799
that after all this happened

715
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,279
their opinion was that maybe

716
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,520
what or whoever that was

717
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,960
was

718
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,399
time travel

719
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,559
coming from the future now that's a

720
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,080
theory

721
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,080
they don't know that's always an

722
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,080
interesting twist to me that it could be

723
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,559
time traveling people and why would they

724
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,559
be time traveling why would they

725
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,640
communicate with someone from the past

726
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,720
and why would they even be here

727
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,039
yeah it's it's one of those tantalizing

728
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:57,200
things about that story

729
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,559
well i mean

730
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:00,880
it's obvious to me and this is my

731
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,760
opinion that something happened because

732
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,440
they're messing with john burroughs

733
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,080
records okay so something out of the

734
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,360
ordinary happened out there in the woods

735
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,600
so the question is

736
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,240
we don't know we have to go on what they

737
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,559
are telling us so

738
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,080
if it was

739
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:23,200
hypothetically if what was out there was

740
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:24,159
a

741
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:31,600
less credible in one respect but then

742
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,399
again if it was a top secret

743
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,480
government project that they don't want

744
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,080
out they're gonna still mess with

745
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,000
somebody's credibility

746
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,240
so and i think the reason that's going

747
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,720
on is because of all of the press that

748
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,559
that story has gotten

749
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,480
sure i mean so

750
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:50,799
that may be why but matter of fact that

751
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,080
probably is why well

752
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,320
i always thought it could a lot of these

753
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,880
denials of things also could have

754
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,480
something to do with the fact that the

755
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,640
united states military does not want to

756
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,520
admit

757
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,039
that some foreign entity is flying over

758
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,200
our nuclear bases and they can't do

759
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,039
anything to stop them

760
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,880
that's scary

761
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,799
oh i agree yeah because i live i live

762
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,080
right here

763
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,520
um

764
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,840
my address is grow grove town georgia

765
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,440
but it's a part of augusta and right

766
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,039
here i'm right on the savannah river and

767
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,760
we have savannah riverside which is a

768
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:27,919
nuclear plant

769
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:30,159
and we've had sightings out there i

770
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,520
don't have the dates in front of you

771
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,720
right now but

772
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,279
they have been sightings over there over

773
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:37,440
over that plant it's called srs plant

774
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,559
vogel

775
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:39,520
and

776
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,000
that have been seen over there are not

777
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,840
actual craft they're the foo fighter

778
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,559
balls of light ufos

779
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,789
yes sir

780
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,960
we have drones but those foo fighters

781
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,880
could be alien drones

782
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,480
or they could be interdimensional

783
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,159
there's you know that's just the theory

784
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,000
you know we don't know the only thing we

785
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,240
know is the sightings that happen

786
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,320
that's all we know

787
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,880
and we know that ufos for some reason

788
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,200
are often seen over nuclear sites which

789
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,039
is very interesting to me in and of

790
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,799
itself and a lot of people have theories

791
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,240
that that's why they're here they're

792
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,520
checking in on

793
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:19,440
technological development

794
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,159
and

795
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,320
basically like the kids got the matches

796
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:23,600
now let's see what are they going to do

797
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:26,880
with these matches i think i think that

798
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,440
they do not want us to take nuclear

799
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,000
power off of the planet that's my theory

800
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,240
yeah i don't know of course i don't know

801
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,720
but i just interviewed stephen bassett

802
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,799
and uh from the paradigm research group

803
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:40,880
and that's his big theory of why they're

804
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,399
here is that they will not allow us at

805
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,720
any time in any way they are not going

806
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,960
to allow us to take nuclear weapons into

807
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,960
space because that could endanger them

808
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,640
in their world

809
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,120
amen it sure would yeah and

810
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,519
that is a believable scenario you know

811
00:31:03,750 --> 00:30:58,799
let's say

812
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,760
you're doing something on your property

813
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,600
that could hurt me i'm going to do

814
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:07,760
everything in the world i can do to keep

815
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,200
you on your on your land type you know

816
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,960
they're doing the same thing

817
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,480
okay there's like okay you want to

818
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,080
destroy your world just

819
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,159
destroy your own don't mess up our you

820
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,080
know don't bring this you know over here

821
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:21,919
that makes sense

822
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,279
you know so i agree with mr bassett

823
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,640
yeah i've always found it really

824
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,480
interesting and a little bit scary that

825
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:30,159
they're flying right over our military

826
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,200
bases

827
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,440
even interfering with launch codes and

828
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,960
things like that

829
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,519
and almost in a mocking way to show us

830
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,360
like your weapons are useless against us

831
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,440
we can control them we can stop you from

832
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:43,039
launching these things

833
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,760
that

834
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,320
is so freaky

835
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,720
well that just shows just how advanced

836
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,840
they are

837
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,440
and how

838
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:53,120
someone

839
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,480
like them

840
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,720
is trying to get us caught up you know

841
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:59,039
with giving us stealth and what have you

842
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,559
and i've always wondered you know i was

843
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:02,240
like well you know if eisenhower made

844
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,120
this deal why do we still have

845
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,600
unknowns monitoring these

846
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,360
um

847
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:11,840
nuclear sites and my theory is okay it

848
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,320
obviously is not whoever i talk to i

849
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,200
know that sounds kind of uneducated but

850
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,200
whoever he made the deal with whoever's

851
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,360
flying over is not the same race

852
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,679
evidently yeah there's a lot of theories

853
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,000
that there's multiple species oh yeah

854
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,399
visiting us i believe it was

855
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,080
i believe it was

856
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,240
now don't quote me on this but i think

857
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:34,720
it was paul hellyer

858
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,240
that said there's somewhere between

859
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,279
8 and 15 and don't quote me on these

860
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,000
numbers but it's a multiple number like

861
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,000
that that he said that has been visiting

862
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,919
this planet but those were his words

863
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,480
that it was multiple races and i think

864
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,000
the numbers he said was somewhere

865
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,919
between 8 and 15. yeah i think you're

866
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,960
correct

867
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,760
i think i think you're right

868
00:33:07,190 --> 00:32:58,799
um

869
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,200
we're different in a lot of ways i'm i

870
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,960
might be taller than you

871
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,640
may weigh more than you

872
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,320
you may have longer have an eye but

873
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:14,000
we're still human we have a heart in our

874
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,360
chest that deep

875
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,200
pumps blood through our body so we're

876
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,200
you and i are human beings

877
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,679
there can be many races of aliens out

878
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:22,559
there

879
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,519
that

880
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:25,679
might be kind to each other but look

881
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,600
different as we do so it's a possibility

882
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,600
just because we don't know for sure we

883
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,600
shouldn't say that's not it's not safe

884
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,200
but that's just what

885
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,679
society does out of sight out of mind

886
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,000
that's why you know

887
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,159
that that's the way the world is we're

888
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:44,960
taught that all of this stuff is fake

889
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,600
it's nothing but science fiction and i

890
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,039
know you and i talked about this the

891
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,120
other day but it it's kind of like

892
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:53,760
operation mockingbird you know the cia's

893
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,720
involvement in hollywood sure yeah um

894
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,559
and you know a lot of people thought

895
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,480
that was crazy until it came out that it

896
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,720
was absolutely true

897
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:04,799
oh yeah the cia admitted it

898
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,560
sure um and the one that's to me that's

899
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,679
like

900
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,159
i guess mud your eye type thing is the

901
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,639
fact that in the 1970s there was the

902
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,119
show space 1999.

903
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,200
well what is that show about it was

904
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,599
about a military outpost on the moon ran

905
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,119
by earthlings

906
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,960
in other words it was project horizon up

907
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,119
on up on the tv screen

908
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,639
but people didn't know about project

909
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,480
horizon in the seventh

910
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,480
so what do you do you put it on tv

911
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,440
screen

912
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,119
nobody's going to take it serious and

913
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,679
you can have a basically a secret space

914
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:39,280
program going on and nobody's going to

915
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,560
think about it they're only going to

916
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,040
think about the apollo stuff

917
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,760
because that's what they see on the news

918
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,520
you know that's been going on since the

919
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,879
50s

920
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,079
you know

921
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,520
i tried to tell somebody that they told

922
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,760
me i was crazy until i showed them the

923
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,839
thing about project horizon and they

924
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,920
were speechless they did not respond to

925
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,920
it they couldn't because

926
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,520
they couldn't believe it

927
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,680
i said on my project go ahead i was

928
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,680
going to ask you know i i've talked to a

929
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,960
lot of people who think there's some

930
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:08,800
sort of bases on the moon

931
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,599
and i mean i got a telescope and i don't

932
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,680
see anything out of the ordinary at

933
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,760
least on the side of the moon that faces

934
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,200
us so

935
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,560
that would mean that it would have to be

936
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,000
on the dark side of the moon and it

937
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,680
would also mean

938
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,839
that nasa has to scrub some of the

939
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:25,760
photos and there's been some evidence

940
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,720
that that takes place of the scrubbing

941
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,119
of the photos so that you don't see

942
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,520
geometric structures on the dark side of

943
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,960
the moon

944
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,560
let me tell you brother i've got some

945
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,359
pictures i will afford you of artificial

946
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,119
structures from the moon that will blow

947
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,790
anyone listening if you email me or

948
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,960
contact me on facebook i will send them

949
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:50,079
to you

950
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:53,760
because they're hard to deny

951
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,880
some of these structures are similar

952
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,960
one of them is similar to the georgia

953
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,480
guide stones

954
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,920
and if you've ever seen a picture of the

955
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,000
georgia guide stone that's what this

956
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,400
artificial these artificial structures

957
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,400
look like i'm how when we get done with

958
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:10,720
our energy right i will forward them to

959
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,520
you sure sure um and i can put them on

960
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,920
i can put them up when when

961
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:17,359
well this show is going to air on the

962
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,480
fringe fm but then it will also be in in

963
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,320
in youtube form so i can put them up on

964
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,920
the screen as well while we're talking

965
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,359
about this if you send them totally

966
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,560
absolutely

967
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:28,079
um

968
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:29,359
donna hare

969
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,079
she worked at nasa and i and god i

970
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:34,800
cannot remember what her job title was

971
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,720
donna hare was looking at a picture

972
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,760
of

973
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,160
an unknown and she asked another

974
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,680
associate now i'm saying associate

975
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,200
meeting employee because i don't know

976
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,800
what that that other this gentleman's

977
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,160
job title was

978
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,760
she asked this man she says is that a

979
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:52,000
ufo and he sat back in his chair and

980
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,200
looked at you

981
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,599
and looked at miss hair and said i'm not

982
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,520
supposed to say that

983
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,440
now that doesn't mean that they know

984
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,720
what it is

985
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,359
but that's when she realized nasa was

986
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,280
airbrushing things out of photos before

987
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,520
they're published

988
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,440
yeah there's been multiple there's

989
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,200
actually been multiple reports besides

990
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,000
her i've i've got in my i got a moon

991
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,560
file folder here and i've got multiple

992
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,200
reports of people seeing

993
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,079
the unretouched photos that show

994
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,320
geometric structures and things on the

995
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,599
moon and it could be ruins it could be

996
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,119
you know it could be

997
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,079
man-made but obviously some things

998
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,200
you could see in the photos that's not

999
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,079
like a natural formation from geology

1000
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:43,750
or intelligently constructed

1001
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:47,839
manufactured you know something

1002
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,240
i've got some pictures of and i don't

1003
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:52,560
know how to explain

1004
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,599
what this is but it's

1005
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,000
um it's pictures of an artificial

1006
00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:00,079
structure on the moon

1007
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,520
that is

1008
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,240
illustrating an electronical

1009
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,150
now

1010
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,760
i'm going to send you the pictures later

1011
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,200
this evening when you look at them

1012
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:13,760
you'll understand what i mean

1013
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,040
for the moon to be a desolate world

1014
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,880
why is that there

1015
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,359
okay something's going on that we don't

1016
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:23,040
know about

1017
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,640
okay so

1018
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:27,760
somebody's doing something there or

1019
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,400
the artificial structures were put there

1020
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:33,040
by somebody

1021
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,400
maybe not us

1022
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,359
but somebody because

1023
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,760
an artificial structure does not just

1024
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,920
magically grow

1025
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,520
in a

1026
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,200
natural environment i guess is how i

1027
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:47,359
guess i want to say that but

1028
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,560
um

1029
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,400
it's got to be put there purposely

1030
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,160
that's like the pyramids they were built

1031
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,160
they were purposely put there

1032
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,320
sure um some of those pictures i'm going

1033
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,079
to show you you'll see in your inbox

1034
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,119
later is going to be amazing and i'm not

1035
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,960
bragging i'm just i just know what they

1036
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,560
are and i can't believe that they are

1037
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:06,800
what they are now i can't say how i got

1038
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,520
them

1039
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,839
but i'm happy to share it with you yeah

1040
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:11,839
i'd love to see them and you know i i

1041
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,560
talked i talked to a geologist myself

1042
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,400
about some of this stuff and showed him

1043
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:18,240
some pictures that i have

1044
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,960
and

1045
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,040
uh the gist of the conversation with him

1046
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:23,200
went like this

1047
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:27,599
geology does not create 90 degree angles

1048
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:31,359
it certainly does not create rectangular

1049
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,960
formations that look like they have four

1050
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,040
90 degree angles

1051
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,280
so you know and there's

1052
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,119
i i know that there's a lot of people

1053
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,920
though that do push some pictures that

1054
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,680
i don't believe are

1055
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,400
our actual structures you know and i i

1056
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,760
sometimes i have a problem with some of

1057
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,960
these people because they have these

1058
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,440
super grainy old pictures and you know

1059
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,520
we have telescopes we have

1060
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:58,160
uh we have but then again we can't see

1061
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,280
the dark side of the moon with a

1062
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,280
telescope but there's satellite imaging

1063
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,359
that shows nothing of the dark side of

1064
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,280
the moon there's there's moon satellites

1065
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,359
that did the topic

1066
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,280
have you ever have you ever wondered

1067
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,960
this reason for that

1068
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,280
sure and like i said i believe that i

1069
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,040
believe that there's ample evidence that

1070
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,720
nasa and other organizations have

1071
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:17,839
scrubbed

1072
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,119
before we get to see them and taken out

1073
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,880
things that appear to be man-made

1074
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,240
structures or

1075
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,880
geometrical or you know

1076
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,079
so that that

1077
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:31,920
could explain it but it's it's one of

1078
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,319
those mysteries and it's intriguing and

1079
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:36,240
it's tantalizing and it's fun to look at

1080
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,520
these pictures and just from a

1081
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:41,280
philosophical standpoint like just think

1082
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,560
about what

1083
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,599
what

1084
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:45,520
is going on could they really be there

1085
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,319
and

1086
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:48,960
i've always wondered what what purpose

1087
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,079
then i mean if it's a man-made base

1088
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,000
that well you're gonna look you're gonna

1089
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,520
love this

1090
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,960
you're gonna love what i'm fixing to

1091
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,800
tell you sure you're talking about

1092
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,200
you're talking about nasa scrubbing or

1093
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:03,839
airbrushing these pictures okay

1094
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,040
i've got some images and this is this is

1095
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,800
almost kind of like the evidence that

1096
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,040
perry mason would bring out in the last

1097
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,640
10 minutes of an episode to win its take

1098
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,319
yeah yeah i went to old school there the

1099
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:18,960
gotcha man i've got sir i've got some

1100
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,160
pictures of two

1101
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:24,480
nasa employees

1102
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,520
okay

1103
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,079
they're sitting at a desk

1104
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,720
under the arm of one of these employees

1105
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:32,560
is a picture

1106
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:40,079
of an artificial square structure on the

1107
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,119
moon

1108
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,520
so that tells me that nasa is aware of

1109
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,680
these things nice when you see these

1110
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,760
when you see these pictures you're gonna

1111
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,599
you're gonna um

1112
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,040
you're gonna fall on the floor so you

1113
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,560
might as well sit down before you look

1114
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,440
at them

1115
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,800
because

1116
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,400
if you think about

1117
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:58,720
the moment that these pictures were

1118
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,839
taken of these nasa

1119
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,359
that the fact that they had these

1120
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:05,920
pictures laying on their desk

1121
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,319
what does this mean to our reality okay

1122
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,520
it's not what we've been told it is or

1123
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,200
we know that now there's something we're

1124
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,880
not being told

1125
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,359
for some reason there are artificial

1126
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,839
structures on that moon which means

1127
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,599
does it really mean that the moon is

1128
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,319
artificial like people have theorized

1129
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,839
it could be

1130
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:29,040
i personally don't know because i've

1131
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,510
yeah i've heard that artificial moon

1132
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,280
theory and there's some compelling

1133
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,880
evidence to that

1134
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,720
and uh that's another one of those

1135
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:42,880
mysteries that'll keep you tantalized

1136
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:47,510
if

1137
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,839
never know it

1138
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,599
it's one of those need to know things

1139
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,079
that very few people will know unless

1140
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,720
it's a life or death situation

1141
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,119
and i don't see

1142
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,839
that knowing that the moon is artificial

1143
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,400
is a life or death scenario you know

1144
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,319
because it's you know

1145
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,640
um but you know they say operation

1146
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:12,880
mockingbird you put real intel in

1147
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,920
hollywood and what did ben kenobi say

1148
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,400
that's no moon that's a space station

1149
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,240
i mean maybe they i mean

1150
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,640
maybe maybe they're telling us something

1151
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,520
i mean it's just a theory the thought

1152
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,880
you know you know

1153
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,240
yeah it's definitely something to think

1154
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,560
about especially because

1155
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,359
if you if you kind of uh look up or

1156
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,599
research what would what the earth would

1157
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:38,560
be like without the moon

1158
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:39,200
it's

1159
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,119
completely different place it would be

1160
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,839
probably unable to support complex life

1161
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,280
forms

1162
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,599
but the moon does an awful lot to make

1163
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:52,240
the earth work so perfectly

1164
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,280
right

1165
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,280
well it's there for a reason i mean i

1166
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,599
think everything is in place for a

1167
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,720
reason

1168
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,280
but for me to go through life i may not

1169
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,720
need to know

1170
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,720
what that reason is but i know that

1171
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,359
there's a reason that exists

1172
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:09,760
i may not know what it is but

1173
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,040
um and this has been a wild conversation

1174
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,520
yeah you know what's funny too is like i

1175
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,359
i like the people that are just absolute

1176
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,200
deniers that there's a secret space

1177
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,040
program and you know what i do

1178
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,839
i ask them if they know what the x-37b

1179
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,440
is and what it does

1180
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,200
and most people don't even know that

1181
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,800
that exists

1182
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,040
and oh yeah certainly certainly they

1183
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,520
don't know what it does because nobody

1184
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,119
the government won't tell us what it

1185
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,920
does but there have been missions with

1186
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,920
that x-37b

1187
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,319
has been orbiting the earth for like

1188
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:43,440
a year

1189
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,800
straight that we don't we don't get to

1190
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,030
i'll tell you this much i had a nasa

1191
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,560
person tell me

1192
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:57,920
that yes it is a nasa vehicle yes we

1193
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:00,800
have it it is considered a declassified

1194
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,560
project and it is um unmanned

1195
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,319
and it is remotely controlled and that's

1196
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,040
all they said which is okay

1197
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:11,440
you know no big deal you know because

1198
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,560
you can

1199
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,040
it's us air force

1200
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,520
related i mean so

1201
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,440
i guess if i need to know they'll tell

1202
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,920
me but you know i basically emailed nasa

1203
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,920
and asked them you know

1204
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,000
what it did just to see what they would

1205
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,920
tell me and that's all was said to be an

1206
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:30,400
email so evidently that's all they want

1207
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,680
me to know what you're fine no big deal

1208
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:35,839
yeah i don't know about the declassified

1209
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,800
thing though because if it was

1210
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,640
completely declassified they'd be okay

1211
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,040
with telling everybody what it's doing

1212
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,800
i think that things launching spy

1213
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,880
satellites i think that thing might be

1214
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,119
interacting with foreign satellites it

1215
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,119
might be doing a great deal of things it

1216
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,880
leads to a great deal of speculation

1217
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,480
because they won't tell us what it's

1218
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:53,839
doing up there

1219
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,560
but it's very it's a very active program

1220
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,760
though

1221
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,160
especially since our shuttle program is

1222
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,319
in mothballs now and we don't even have

1223
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,240
a proper launch vehicle anymore so

1224
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,280
they've kind of went to this robotic

1225
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,760
thing you know it's basically like a

1226
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,079
a space drone right now but we don't

1227
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,079
know what it does we don't know what its

1228
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,000
missions are we don't know what it's

1229
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,319
doing up there

1230
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,079
you know everyone is talking about the

1231
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,240
fact that you know if if i mention

1232
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,599
something to someone about the secret

1233
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,960
space program

1234
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,720
uh

1235
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:29,119
one time i asked this one lady i said

1236
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,960
well let me ask you a question are you

1237
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,359
aware of two companies known as spacex

1238
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,040
and bigelow aerospace

1239
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,880
and she said i've heard of spacex but i

1240
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,640
don't know about the other one i'm like

1241
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,560
okay

1242
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,640
if you pay attention to the news anytime

1243
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:45,040
spacex launches something

1244
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,319
they're launching something from

1245
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,880
vandenberg air force base in california

1246
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:51,359
now have you noticed that nasa hasn't

1247
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,040
done that many launches and spacex is

1248
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,800
and she started to think about it she

1249
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,560
goes yeah i think you're right i was

1250
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:59,520
like well

1251
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,880
have you ever thought about the fact

1252
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,119
that spacex and bigelow aerospace are

1253
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,920
actually working with nasa

1254
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,480
yeah she didn't put two and two together

1255
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,359
and i explained to her how what bigelow

1256
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:13,359
aerospace does about building the living

1257
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,480
pods and

1258
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:16,400
what you know elon musk is doing with

1259
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,680
his company

1260
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,200
and she said well why are they doing

1261
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,240
that i said how did we start this um

1262
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:25,280
conversation we started it with the term

1263
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,800
secret space program didn't i she goes

1264
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,040
oh my god

1265
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,520
then it it clicked in her mind that

1266
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,200
something was going on we're not totally

1267
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,040
being told about

1268
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,599
and this was the same day

1269
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,440
that president trump mentioned the term

1270
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,680
space force on television and i

1271
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:45,920
explained to her i said that's

1272
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:49,200
disclosure in my opinion disclosure on

1273
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,040
solar warden but it won't be called that

1274
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,040
and i've never forget her eyes just got

1275
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,960
real big she goes i can't believe i

1276
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,240
didn't know i said are you not supposed

1277
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,400
enough

1278
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,079
yeah exactly she asked me that's the

1279
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,880
point it's called a secret space program

1280
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,839
for a reason and it's interesting to see

1281
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,280
it's interesting to see

1282
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,200
a lot of companies i was going to say

1283
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,720
it's interesting to see these private

1284
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,119
companies coming on board now and doing

1285
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,599
a lot of this it's not the main

1286
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:18,960
yeah

1287
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,760
it's not surprising to me

1288
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,839
because if you have

1289
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,920
technology and let's just pretend for

1290
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,040
just a minute

1291
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,240
let's say i am

1292
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,359
whoever within the pentagon and

1293
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,720
you are

1294
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,440
you own your own aerospace company

1295
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,480
if i take all the intel and we give it

1296
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,000
to you

1297
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,839
that means it's owned by a private

1298
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,880
company

1299
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,200
so the freedom of information that does

1300
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,200
not apply to it anymore that's an

1301
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,359
interesting point so exactly yeah okay

1302
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,040
okay now now

1303
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,640
and i say to you uh sir here it is

1304
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,440
um take this you can have the patent on

1305
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,240
it but feed the information to us

1306
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,680
because we need to use it with the

1307
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,000
military that's in the contract of

1308
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,520
course you know you when you get into a

1309
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,280
contract with the government

1310
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,040
that's in the contract that you feed

1311
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,359
intel back to the government but you get

1312
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,440
the patent on it you make the money off

1313
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:17,839
of it they utilize it for military

1314
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,040
advancement

1315
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,880
so if somebody sends in a freedom of

1316
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,520
information act on a certain something

1317
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,040
and they look at the national archives

1318
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,720
or whatever they really are not going to

1319
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,800
have it then they're really not lying

1320
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,440
because they did give it to your company

1321
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,520
that's my big that's why bigelow

1322
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,839
aerospace and spacex is rocking right

1323
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,160
now that's what has happened a lot of

1324
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:39,839
these meta materials that we've been

1325
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,400
hearing about that allegedly

1326
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,079
bigelow house

1327
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,240
guess where he got him

1328
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,079
i don't i have no idea but i've heard

1329
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:49,760
about these materials that he's supposed

1330
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:52,800
to have well guess what get he he got

1331
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:53,599
him

1332
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,430
because he used to be in the hotel but

1333
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,680
he goes into the aerospace business and

1334
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,119
all of a sudden the man got all these

1335
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,559
meta materials

1336
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,359
he didn't go buy him online

1337
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:09,280
think about it boss think about it big a

1338
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,720
little air space is working and he's got

1339
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,720
uh well he had skin walker ranch i think

1340
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,040
he sold it but yes he's got all that

1341
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,119
prop he's got all that property out

1342
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,920
there and his warehouse and his factory

1343
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,559
is right next door to area 51. and he's

1344
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,200
mean he's spent he spent more money than

1345
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:30,000
any single individual on ufo research a

1346
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,359
lot of people don't know this but

1347
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:32,480
bigelow

1348
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,119
uh back in the 90s used to cut checks to

1349
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,720
researchers

1350
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,640
and the deal was

1351
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,559
i'm going to cut you this check you can

1352
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,680
research whatever you're going to

1353
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,720
research

1354
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,640
and you can write books you can release

1355
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,520
it to the public but i get it first

1356
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,520
i get all the research first

1357
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,000
and there are some big names in the

1358
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,000
field of ufos

1359
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:59,359
that have gotten checks from one bob

1360
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,559
bigelow

1361
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,640
it's kind of like it's kind of like it's

1362
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,800
scary though it's not scary but it's

1363
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,559
interesting because it's kind of like

1364
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,800
he's kind of like a james bond villain

1365
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,640
in this story or something because he's

1366
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:12,400
this you know you think about it he's

1367
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:15,680
this billionaire with all this money

1368
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,280
and he is in the know about more things

1369
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:21,760
related to this phenomenon than anyone

1370
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,520
he funded well well whole organization

1371
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:26,960
you know

1372
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,520
are you aware of the interview he did on

1373
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,040
60 minutes

1374
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,040
yeah absolutely and i love that he just

1375
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:35,040
said there are extraterrestrials there's

1376
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,880
a presence i don't care what anybody

1377
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,599
thinks i know it to be true

1378
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,920
i think he was telling people

1379
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,359
what he had

1380
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,150
that's how he would know

1381
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:50,079
because he's technically a civilian god

1382
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:51,040
bless him

1383
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,000
okay

1384
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,559
he the only way he's gonna know that

1385
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,200
is evident his uncle sam

1386
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,000
would have to have given him this stuff

1387
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:01,760
and basically said

1388
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,800
okay

1389
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,040
feed it back to us you make the money

1390
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,280
off of it you get the patent on anything

1391
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,359
you create

1392
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,760
i mean he's right next door to 51 i mean

1393
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:13,520
come on and

1394
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,200
the fact that s4 is allegedly there and

1395
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,960
if that's where a lot of this is being

1396
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,119
done at that property they're next door

1397
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:22,640
neighbors i mean it's obvious that

1398
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,520
there's a connection

1399
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,119
well i mean

1400
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,760
i i don't know about s4 myself but he

1401
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,079
definitely is right next to area 51

1402
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,240
right in the area and i've heard all

1403
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:36,319
these stories about him having some sort

1404
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:37,200
of

1405
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,520
perhaps crash retrieval items and

1406
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,000
items of technology that he is putting

1407
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,440
money into analyzing he also started he

1408
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,760
also started a company with bob lazar

1409
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,680
but then uh pulled out when he thought

1410
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:56,240
he was getting conned by bob lazar and

1411
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:57,920
that's another interesting part of the

1412
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,160
story

1413
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,240
but he is definitely he has definitely

1414
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,040
had his hand in ufos for a long long

1415
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:07,680
time absolutely so many stories go back

1416
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,640
to him

1417
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,960
or he has some part in them he had a

1418
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,880
part in this a tip thing he had a part

1419
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,880
in ned's that was investigating

1420
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,040
skinwalker ranch because he bought that

1421
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,960
just because he had that intense

1422
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,880
interest in this stuff

1423
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,720
he's an interesting character in this

1424
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,720
whole story

1425
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,559
you know what what's unique about skin

1426
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,440
walker ranch um the other night i was

1427
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,280
watching a documentary on the travel

1428
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,000
channel and um

1429
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,760
can i mention other people's shows on

1430
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,440
your show sure absolutely

1431
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,400
okay

1432
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:40,480
chuck zakowski i talked to him a lot

1433
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,599
he's the host of alien highway well i

1434
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:46,079
think it was their first episode

1435
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,280
that they were

1436
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,119
investigating skinwalker ranch but they

1437
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,200
were actually investigating a creature

1438
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,040
that had been seen on the outside of the

1439
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,800
ranch that's what they were there for

1440
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,599
well

1441
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,800
ryan burns was on the show and ryan

1442
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,040
had made mention that

1443
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,599
bigelow aerospace owned the skinwalker

1444
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:04,960
ranch but

1445
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,839
the bigelow sold it and i've got the

1446
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:10,079
name written down here of who they sold

1447
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:10,960
it to

1448
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,520
well if they have allegedly sold it the

1449
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,440
same phone number

1450
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,800
that you

1451
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,960
if you google skinwalker wrench phone

1452
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,440
number the phone number that comes up

1453
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,520
still connects you to bigelow aerospace

1454
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,280
now i don't know why that is

1455
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,200
that's interesting if they

1456
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,559
yeah if they have sold it but ryan did

1457
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,040
tell me in the email but the

1458
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:35,280
bigelow sold it but the deal was really

1459
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,240
weird

1460
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,079
um but i don't know what that means and

1461
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,400
he didn't go into it but

1462
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,160
seems like to me

1463
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,839
if i buy something from you the phone

1464
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,760
numbers don't change

1465
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,599
i mean that's my fear that's my theory

1466
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:48,960
but i don't know what's going on that's

1467
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,950
he might have had some kind of deal

1468
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,319
where look i'm going to sell to you but

1469
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:58,480
i still get access to it for study or

1470
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,520
for

1471
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,960
sure

1472
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,000
you know

1473
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,720
he basically paid off mufon to get their

1474
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,200
confidential reports at some point

1475
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:09,200
and there was a big controversy about

1476
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,720
that because those reports are supposed

1477
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,559
to be confidential with the witnesses

1478
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,119
and then here goes this organization

1479
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,040
faxing them over to him every time they

1480
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,359
get one you know it's really

1481
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,040
right the strange relationship that he

1482
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,040
has with this whole phenomenon

1483
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,280
he's kind of like got his hand in in all

1484
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,559
things

1485
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,240
so he's a definitely interesting

1486
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:30,400
character

1487
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:34,160
it's almost kind of like he's um

1488
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,990
sound i don't i don't know how how to

1489
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,680
say this exactly and there's nothing

1490
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:43,760
disrespectful it's something good

1491
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,040
um it's almost kind of like

1492
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,960
he can look at things

1493
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:50,640
and put

1494
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:53,359
for instances together

1495
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:54,319
and

1496
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:55,119
he

1497
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,559
grasps

1498
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,280
the unbelievable a little bit easier i

1499
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,040
think that's how i want to say what i'm

1500
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,880
thinking but i'm probably not being very

1501
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:05,119
clear so i apologize no but i agree with

1502
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,319
you he's like he said he's an

1503
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,920
interesting character he's got his hand

1504
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,000
in so many different stories

1505
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,079
you know it's like you go and you start

1506
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,400
researching this stuff and it's kind of

1507
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,720
like i've thought this a few times like

1508
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:19,359
many roads lead back to bigelow

1509
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,480
and it's weak

1510
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,119
it's really weird that that many stories

1511
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:25,200
and that many roads lead back to this

1512
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:26,079
guy

1513
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,200
and

1514
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:29,440
i believe if anybody on planet earth

1515
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,480
knows

1516
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,319
i don't believe there's anybody any

1517
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,000
civilian that knows more about the

1518
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:36,000
phenomenon than this guy because he's

1519
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,119
got the money

1520
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,880
he's got the access he's got the

1521
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:40,240
connections

1522
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,599
he's funded research he's got his own

1523
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,000
aerospace company and the interesting

1524
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,839
part is as

1525
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,680
you know there's a stigma attached with

1526
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,480
being a ufo kind of guy and he doesn't

1527
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,400
care he's got contracts

1528
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:56,240
he's got contracts with nasa hasn't

1529
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,200
affected him at all negatively i know

1530
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,200
see that's that's one way but he and i

1531
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,480
are probably just to like in that

1532
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,000
respect you know he doesn't care what

1533
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,480
people think about him and his feeling

1534
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:08,880
on that subject or that term you know

1535
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,200
what neither do i i'm the same way i'm

1536
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:13,119
the i'm the bob bigelow without all the

1537
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:14,480
money

1538
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,559
but from that point of view of course

1539
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,319
right well we all do the best that we

1540
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,559
can with our available resources you

1541
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,880
know like that is very true yeah i've

1542
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,119
often said like i use this microphone of

1543
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,200
mine as a passport i get to talk to a

1544
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,720
lot of interesting people that i would

1545
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,960
not otherwise get access to

1546
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,280
because it's like a passport like hey i

1547
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,880
have this show and can you come on and

1548
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,040
talk about this and people are very

1549
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,599
receptive and that's what i do that's

1550
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,000
the resource that i have to use to get

1551
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,240
deeper in you know to dig myself a

1552
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:48,720
little deeper in every time you know and

1553
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,599
try to get more information

1554
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:53,599
before we went on the air tonight i had

1555
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,079
gotten three um messages about wanting

1556
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,000
to know how to listen to your show and i

1557
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,200
explained to them that as soon as um

1558
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,119
it was put online i would get them the

1559
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,920
link and it's on it's only this shows on

1560
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:08,000
every saturday at midnight on the fringe

1561
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,079
fm and anybody can just you just put

1562
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,400
into google the fringe fm and then

1563
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,359
there's a listen button and then our our

1564
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:17,359
archives are going to be on spreaker and

1565
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:20,240
itunes and also on youtube and i'll get

1566
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,440
you all those links you don't have to

1567
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,280
worry but this show should be this

1568
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,920
saturday i hope if i have time to get it

1569
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,680
in in uh

1570
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,000
get it into the into the distribution

1571
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,160
network in time and i think i will so no

1572
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,839
worries there

1573
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,480
okay

1574
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,079
now seems like a good time that we take

1575
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,079
a break just for a moment

1576
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,640
and uh we'll be right back

1577
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:44,559
we're speaking with my guest donnie

1578
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,040
brooke let's get back into it

1579
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:50,960
you know i was going to ask you

1580
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,839
more about back engineering and what do

1581
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,599
you think is going on with some of the

1582
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,440
back engineering

1583
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,599
that you believe is going on what are

1584
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:01,040
they doing

1585
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,839
and

1586
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,000
what technologies do you think we've

1587
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,000
gained from this

1588
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,400
alien bounty that's what i call it that

1589
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,480
fell from this guy

1590
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:12,240
well i'm gonna tell you it's like i said

1591
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,760
earlier in the interview

1592
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,359
the only way we're gonna back engine or

1593
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:17,680
something like i said is we're gonna

1594
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:19,599
have to understand their technology if

1595
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,000
we're gonna do anything with it or

1596
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,680
we're gonna have to be taught new

1597
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:26,000
technologies to get us

1598
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,760
as like a springboard to greatness now

1599
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,920
stealth was the hand-me-down technology

1600
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,680
i believe that's what they told us first

1601
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,520
and yes we have stealth technology

1602
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,680
everybody knows about it but it's not

1603
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,680
just aerospace technology

1604
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,839
i want to tell you a story you know the

1605
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,599
eisenhower

1606
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:45,119
meeting where he

1607
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,920
allegedly said yes you know if you help

1608
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:49,440
us with technology we'll give you

1609
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,640
whatever you

1610
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,720
you know you need you know he made the

1611
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:54,160
deal with him so he promised them

1612
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,280
something

1613
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,150
i know everyone that has studied ufology

1614
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,000
probably has heard of the betty and

1615
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:04,160
barney hill abduction

1616
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,440
okay

1617
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,799
betty hill

1618
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:08,960
under hypnosis and

1619
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,359
in several interviews right before she

1620
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,960
passed away

1621
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:15,040
said that

1622
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,160
she said a lot of things in the

1623
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,240
interview but when she was describing

1624
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,960
the actual abduction

1625
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:22,640
she said

1626
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,440
that

1627
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:25,520
she felt like she was laying on a

1628
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:27,680
surgical table

1629
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:30,480
she said something was inserted into her

1630
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,200
navel and when that happened she felt

1631
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:35,440
like there was an extraction

1632
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,040
being done something was taken out of

1633
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:39,839
her like a surgical procedure

1634
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:42,880
well that was in 1961 when she and

1635
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,839
bonnie had their experience all right

1636
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,720
all right

1637
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:49,280
all the way let's fast forward to 2015

1638
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,720
and 2015 i had surgery i had robotic

1639
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,200
surgery i had dog blood surgery they did

1640
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,359
it um by robotic

1641
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,440
meat there was a robotic surgery

1642
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,880
um

1643
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,640
the night before the surgery the surgeon

1644
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,319
comes in and explains the procedure for

1645
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,880
the next morning and he explained how he

1646
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:09,040
was going to do the procedure

1647
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,079
and he's basically saying the exact same

1648
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,400
thing that betty hill described

1649
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:16,079
now of course i didn't say nothing about

1650
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,960
that

1651
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,960
but then i realized

1652
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:21,599
we got robotic surgery from them we had

1653
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:24,880
to it's the same thing

1654
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,280
they gave us that technology

1655
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,119
or they gave us something that we

1656
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:31,599
created robotic technology

1657
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,960
it's the same procedure

1658
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,480
and it was bone chilling to hear that

1659
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,359
doctor say that

1660
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,040
and let me tell you

1661
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,680
that really opened my eyes to the

1662
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:46,000
eisenhower treaty

1663
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:48,079
that's that's when i really knew right

1664
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:49,280
then i think

1665
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,000
that it had to really happen because how

1666
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,079
in the world would betty hill know to

1667
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:56,000
say that unless it really happened to

1668
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,799
her

1669
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,880
and how would she know

1670
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,240
that

1671
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:02,720
20 30 some ideas whatever in the future

1672
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,440
we would have that in our hospitals

1673
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,520
well i don't know on that i could say

1674
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,280
that it could just be natural technical

1675
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:11,119
evolution that eventually we figured

1676
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,720
something like that out

1677
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,000
do you really believe that that came

1678
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:16,400
from aliens

1679
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,720
i've chosen to believe it is part of the

1680
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:21,280
eisenhower treaty and some people are

1681
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:23,200
gonna poke fun at that but that's fine i

1682
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,400
don't care

1683
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:26,720
i believe that either a they gave us

1684
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,640
that technology or they gave us

1685
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:30,799
something and we created the robotics

1686
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,599
but it's the whole idea of going in

1687
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,280
through the navel

1688
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,680
and doing an extraction

1689
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,280
and you're looking like you've never

1690
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,440
been touched sure and i'm not

1691
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,440
listen i'm not i'm not poking fun at you

1692
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:45,039
we're just having a discussion but one

1693
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,039
of the things that i always think is

1694
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,520
that sometimes people i believe are too

1695
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,319
quick to assign aliens to explain

1696
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,319
something it's kind of like

1697
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:56,000
the pyramids well we couldn't have done

1698
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:59,359
that uh so it had to be aliens and it's

1699
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:00,640
kind of the same thing with this it's

1700
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,359
like could it it could be aliens but it

1701
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:05,440
could be just natural

1702
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,760
technological development that we

1703
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,000
figured out how to you know

1704
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:12,079
we had we figured out microprocessors

1705
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,359
and we figured out how to program

1706
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:15,359
microprocessors to control motors and

1707
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:16,880
then we figured out that we could use

1708
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:19,359
that for things like surgery but you're

1709
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,359
right there's a stark and and definite

1710
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:25,920
correlation that can be made between

1711
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,480
how similar that experience that you had

1712
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,319
is to what barney and betty hill

1713
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:33,599
described happened to them some time ago

1714
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,230
you know

1715
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:43,029
oh i had a thought in my brain that just

1716
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:44,960
got it just i just

1717
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:48,400
um the betty hill situation the star map

1718
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,630
and

1719
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,640
she draws a star map because she asked

1720
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:58,640
this being where they were from and it

1721
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,599
told her she draws the star map

1722
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:03,599
and then so many years after the fact

1723
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,400
nasa says yes we have

1724
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:08,640
um located in a new star system that's

1725
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,200
very reticular they acknowledge it now

1726
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:12,960
the same damn star map

1727
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,599
now the question is did they know it was

1728
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,760
there the whole time and then

1729
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,200
disclose it

1730
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,200
so many years after the fact

1731
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,440
or did they really discover it and then

1732
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,520
let everyone know about it yeah either

1733
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:27,599
way but either way betty hill knew about

1734
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:29,839
it in 1961. well not only she's not a

1735
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:32,400
nasa person she knew about stars that we

1736
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:35,520
did not at that point even knew existed

1737
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,000
exactly according to she was a housewife

1738
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,319
yeah she's not a scientist i mean she

1739
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,400
you know her husband barney okay he was

1740
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,400
a government employee he was a mail

1741
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,640
carrier they were not scientists so

1742
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,799
she's not supposed to know about stars

1743
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,640
other than what she may have learned in

1744
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:51,920
elementary school

1745
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:54,880
and she knew about this stuff so that

1746
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:57,680
tells me right there that her

1747
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,640
event happened or her and barney's event

1748
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,559
happened

1749
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,079
you know it was definitely like the

1750
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,799
archetype too because it was before

1751
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:08,720
the popular media

1752
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,160
uh images of aliens and uh it was before

1753
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,400
the communion book and all that stuff

1754
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:15,920
and like

1755
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,359
i don't know a lot of a lot of

1756
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:19,039
abductions i don't think are very

1757
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:20,960
credible you know people have oh i don't

1758
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,440
worry they don't have very much evidence

1759
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:25,599
and it's all like okay this is a typical

1760
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,319
alien just like the one on the communion

1761
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,240
book cover or the one that you see in

1762
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:32,079
popular culture or in movies and

1763
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,440
magazines and you know and but

1764
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,280
betty and barney hill came before all of

1765
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:38,640
that

1766
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:43,280
if eisenhower made this deal in 58

1767
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:44,640
and

1768
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,640
1961

1769
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,720
this two to three years in between there

1770
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,720
that there could be more that we will

1771
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:54,240
never know about because nobody said

1772
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,200
anything

1773
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,039
so you have to say well if it happened

1774
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,799
to betty and barney it could have

1775
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,200
happened to someone previous but

1776
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,039
how in the world do you bring something

1777
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,720
like that up now

1778
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:07,200
as far as the publicity side now let's

1779
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:09,960
think about this betty and barney hill a

1780
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,640
biracial couple in the 1960s

1781
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,960
okay

1782
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,440
we all know about the 1960s and gotta

1783
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,599
talk about it but the last thing a

1784
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:23,520
biracial couple's gonna do is draw

1785
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,559
attention to themselves sure especially

1786
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,200
especially if the gentleman is

1787
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:30,960
african-american

1788
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,400
now they did not want to go public with

1789
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:36,319
this but due to peer pressure and what

1790
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:37,280
have you

1791
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,480
they did

1792
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:40,720
and it started when they went to that

1793
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,480
psychiatrist

1794
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,799
now the story came out now here's my

1795
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:46,640
thing

1796
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:49,520
if it was a fake story

1797
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,280
it would be too risky for a biracial

1798
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:55,440
couple to draw attention to themselves

1799
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:57,920
because of the backlash

1800
01:07:04,870 --> 01:06:58,799
so

1801
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:04,880
and i believe it was exactly what they

1802
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,400
told us

1803
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:08,000
their

1804
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:12,640
decided to believe that

1805
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,160
i have decided to believe travis walton

1806
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,480
those are the two that i have decided to

1807
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,640
believe are very real any of these

1808
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,760
others

1809
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,240
the jury is still out on those yeah i i

1810
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:26,240
agree with you those are my two those

1811
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:27,119
are

1812
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,400
credible as well

1813
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,319
because you know this travis walton

1814
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,079
thing i mean the guy disappeared for a

1815
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,720
long time it wasn't the thing is a few

1816
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:38,799
hours yeah and it happened in front of

1817
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,870
you know and

1818
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:44,720
they said they didn't kill him it

1819
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,160
happened in front of five people and

1820
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:48,000
then travis shows over a foot five six

1821
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,079
days later

1822
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,400
and they all told the same story

1823
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,480
so

1824
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,000
yeah and one of the interesting things

1825
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,319
that i i i like about the travis walton

1826
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:00,160
case is that he's never

1827
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,520
really changed his story he's been he's

1828
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:05,680
been very consistent and most people

1829
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,720
suffer from what i call ufo disease you

1830
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,480
start doing this conference circuit

1831
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,160
people get sick of your story so

1832
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,160
suddenly you have new memories he's

1833
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,080
never done that yeah his story has been

1834
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:17,759
consistent throughout

1835
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:19,600
this is what happened to me and he tells

1836
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:20,640
the same

1837
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:25,600
at a convention or conference or or

1838
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:28,719
whatever the case may be

1839
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,319
well i totally agree if you start

1840
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,640
changing your story you become less

1841
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,000
credible you're watering down your

1842
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:36,000
credibility you know i'd rather hear the

1843
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,520
same story from somebody at least i know

1844
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:38,880
it's legit

1845
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,839
yeah or

1846
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:41,920
you know it's believable you know you're

1847
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,400
right travis has never um changed his

1848
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:46,080
story and you're right there was there

1849
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:47,920
was witnesses to the event there was

1850
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,880
witnesses to the aftermath and uh you

1851
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,199
know what reason would this guy have to

1852
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,000
make up such a crazy story and get five

1853
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,159
friends of his or you know four friends

1854
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:01,120
however many it was to to corroborate

1855
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,880
yeah yeah and then they

1856
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,799
they were under a lot of scrutiny with

1857
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:06,400
law enforcement because law enforcement

1858
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,839
believed that there may have been some

1859
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,759
kind of altercation and that led to

1860
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:11,520
violence and he was dead out in the

1861
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:14,159
woods somewhere and they passed his

1862
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:15,440
friends and

1863
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,400
the people with them passed a polygraph

1864
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:20,880
stating that they saw a flying saucer

1865
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:21,679
and

1866
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,640
i'm so glad you said polygraph because

1867
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,640
if you saw the movie

1868
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,120
um which a movie is just that it's a

1869
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,279
movie it's a dramatization sure in the

1870
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:33,839
movie and in the movie it tells the

1871
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:35,199
story that they went and took a

1872
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:38,239
polygraph hit but if i'm not mistaken

1873
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,920
and i'll research this and get you the

1874
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,120
real answer

1875
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:43,920
my understanding is each person took

1876
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:47,679
multiple polygraphs now to me to me

1877
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,159
multiple is three or more

1878
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,400
if it's five gentlemen

1879
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,280
that's 15 polygraph tests that they all

1880
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,600
passed

1881
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:59,760
there's no way that that's going to

1882
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,600
happen if they're faking something

1883
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,120
because one of those tests will be

1884
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,400
either a failure or inconclusive that

1885
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:08,880
was actually i believe i believe one was

1886
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,760
inconclusive from my notes or from my

1887
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,000
study of the case but on the second

1888
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,560
attempt it wasn't inconclusive so

1889
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,480
but that's an awful lot of people past

1890
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,120
and lie detectors and i don't know

1891
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:23,280
what i believe i believe they're fairly

1892
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,800
accurate though especially when

1893
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:26,800
administered by law enforcement they

1894
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:30,880
tend to get experts and they're you know

1895
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,000
yeah so it's definitely a credible case

1896
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,239
as far as i'm concerned now i have seen

1897
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,440
evidence of people trying to debunk it

1898
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:41,679
but it didn't i i don't know i haven't

1899
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,239
looked into the counter evidence and it

1900
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,840
just doesn't seem

1901
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,840
right to me that that guy would make up

1902
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,520
such a story

1903
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,760
and uh disappear for five days where was

1904
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,239
he at for five days or however many days

1905
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,400
a week you know he was gone missing

1906
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,640
nowhere to be found for a week

1907
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,719
you know well they basically they were

1908
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,880
in snowflake arizona

1909
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:04,719
and

1910
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:07,760
where he allegedly was taken i say

1911
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,120
allegedly because it wasn't physically

1912
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,440
there but where he was taken anywhere

1913
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,120
around there there was nowhere for him

1914
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,320
to allegedly quote unquote hold up

1915
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:18,719
sure i mean okay so

1916
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:21,040
he's got to have shelter for five days

1917
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:22,640
if this is some

1918
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,520
trick

1919
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:25,520
there was nowhere for him to go

1920
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,560
because the police had um volunteers and

1921
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,719
you know the had the bloodhounds out

1922
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,120
there couldn't pick up the scent on

1923
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,880
couldn't find him

1924
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,360
that's why they started to think one of

1925
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,280
these guys killed him or something you

1926
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,840
know like you say but then boom he shows

1927
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,600
up healthy

1928
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,920
with a little full facial hair a beard

1929
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,040
you know

1930
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,199
very much alive

1931
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,400
you know and then everything

1932
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,560
starts to play out from there for us the

1933
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:56,159
story and

1934
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,760
travis talking about what happened and

1935
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,600
this that and the other thing so

1936
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,920
i believe the story you know people may

1937
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,360
listen to this and think i'm nuts and

1938
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:05,600
that's fine i don't care i don't think

1939
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,800
elvis died in 1977 so shoot me

1940
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,280
so that's it so i mean that's the way it

1941
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,040
goes you know that's

1942
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,440
that's just my opinion you know

1943
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,520
yeah so but we were talking about the

1944
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,600
back engineering and you you mentioned

1945
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,440
the surgical stuff do you believe that

1946
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,440
anything else what other technology do

1947
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,280
you believe we've gotten from

1948
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,440
let's say the others

1949
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:30,239
well we have that from the allegement

1950
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:32,560
has been that because from the roswell

1951
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,360
crash we collected collected technology

1952
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,360
and from some some technology that was

1953
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:39,360
collected there we now have the

1954
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,080
transistor and from the transistor

1955
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,640
i believe it's possible is the reason we

1956
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,280
have smartphones

1957
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,520
i know the transistor is why we have

1958
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,520
transistor radios

1959
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:53,440
you know they're much smaller you know

1960
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,560
if you

1961
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,400
take a transistor radio look at what

1962
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,560
that looks like and then look like look

1963
01:13:02,709 --> 01:12:59,920
at what a

1964
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,719
standard am fm radio just radio would

1965
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:04,719
look like in the 40s they were big

1966
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:07,600
pieces of furniture okay so the

1967
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,640
transistor is one thing that's led us to

1968
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,640
the smartphone situation

1969
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:14,719
maybe cell phones in general

1970
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:17,600
um the ipads and whatnot stuff like that

1971
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,199
we have i feel because of the transit

1972
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,960
but that's just from the outside looking

1973
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:24,880
in that you know i'm not a scientist i'm

1974
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,560
not a tech guy um

1975
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:30,719
and i don't know how to incorporate this

1976
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,600
but

1977
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,600
somehow some way

1978
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,760
my gut feeling is something that was

1979
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,000
found in the 1940s

1980
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,120
helped us with this internet

1981
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:43,120
now i've been trying to research

1982
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:44,159
who

1983
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,320
it got created somehow some way the

1984
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:52,719
military had it first before we had it

1985
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:55,120
in society sure it was darwin it was

1986
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,199
actually darpa that started yeah and

1987
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:59,440
that's defense advanced research project

1988
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,560
agency

1989
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,080
and then yeah that's the person who

1990
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,760
asked god don't get me started on them

1991
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,520
sure but the person the person that

1992
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,840
actually created what most people think

1993
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:09,360
of the internet which is the world wide

1994
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,560
web he uh sort of

1995
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:14,400
donated that technology

1996
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,600
and did not

1997
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,719
try to profit from it and he could be a

1998
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,560
multi-billionaire right now if he didn't

1999
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:23,040
do that his name escapes me and that's

2000
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:24,560
terrible because i'm a computer science

2001
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,719
guy but yeah the world wide web was

2002
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,280
created by a guy who basically said

2003
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,040
anybody can use this i'm releasing this

2004
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,199
as open source technology

2005
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,920
and it ran from there

2006
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:37,760
and yeah there's been a lot of stories

2007
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,560
that maybe there was a microprocessor or

2008
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:42,400
a portion of one that was recovered from

2009
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,040
the roswell debris that we looked at and

2010
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,880
figured out and said

2011
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,800
this is a computer chip comprised of

2012
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,960
transistors and they were just

2013
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,880
see when people say that

2014
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:54,560
we were given the transistor i don't

2015
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,000
know about that because i know bell labs

2016
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:58,320
was working on the transistor at the

2017
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:59,360
time

2018
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:01,120
and uh i don't know

2019
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:02,800
the jury's still out on that but it's

2020
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,360
interesting well my thing my thing is my

2021
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:07,440
thing is like bait like you said

2022
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,640
bell labs was working on it but maybe

2023
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:12,640
something that was found out there was

2024
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,440
the missing piece of the pie and that it

2025
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,840
helped them create it

2026
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,600
that's my thing about that's my thing

2027
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,360
about the kevlar

2028
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,440
i'm not saying that we were not looking

2029
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:25,920
to do kept you know we were not looking

2030
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,400
to re we're not researching kevlar 10

2031
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,960
years before roswell but maybe something

2032
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:32,880
found out there like that material that

2033
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:35,520
was allegedly woven around the beds

2034
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,040
whatever that was maybe it helped us

2035
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:42,000
create the kevlar okay maybe it was the

2036
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:43,840
missing piece of the pie

2037
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,920
that we needed it you know that's a

2038
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,920
possibility you know

2039
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,920
we can't and you know we talk about

2040
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:51,840
roswell but there were several other

2041
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:55,920
crashes in the 40s 1941 1945

2042
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,520
47 and 48 that i know of

2043
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,280
i mean so we could have collected

2044
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,000
technologies that we that's never been

2045
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,640
talked about in public you know roswell

2046
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:08,159
that's been talked about of course so

2047
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,760
he's talked about some of the things

2048
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,679
that he held in his hand and whatever

2049
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:12,719
but

2050
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:15,760
the 1941 cape dorado crash you know the

2051
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:17,679
story about that oh yeah it's an

2052
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,239
interesting story but okay

2053
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,080
some more about that

2054
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:24,640
okay well the the quick gist of it there

2055
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:25,840
was a crash

2056
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,800
and the local pastor was called by the

2057
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,560
police department

2058
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,880
to come minister to

2059
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,280
the victims he gets he's thinking that

2060
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:37,199
the airplane crash boom boom boom no big

2061
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,320
deal

2062
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:40,400
gets down there and he sees that they're

2063
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,679
not human

2064
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:43,760
but the military's there why did they

2065
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:47,440
call a minister of course now he did his

2066
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,480
his pastoral duties he prayed you know

2067
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:52,880
gave them the christian prayer and like

2068
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:55,920
he would anybody else but it was a crash

2069
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:58,719
of an alien spacecraft allegedly that's

2070
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:59,760
the story

2071
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,520
and you know that if that's the case

2072
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:03,920
then we recovered the craft and then and

2073
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:06,080
the technology was in it so there's no

2074
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,920
telling what was in there there's no

2075
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,880
telling

2076
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:09,760
so

2077
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,640
it's hard to say what we are creating

2078
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:15,040
from back engineered

2079
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,800
recovered intel

2080
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:18,560
it's really difficult we can just

2081
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,520
imagine but i i do know this

2082
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,840
that we had to have a damn good starting

2083
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:26,239
point to have the sum of things we got

2084
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:28,480
now that's just my opinion

2085
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,440
because

2086
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:31,360
technology to some extent but you know

2087
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:32,880
what i've often thought and i've talked

2088
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:35,360
about this on my show previously

2089
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,239
is

2090
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:38,560
i kind of think that giving somebody in

2091
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:42,080
the 1940s or 50s a flying saucer and

2092
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:43,520
saying here figure this out back

2093
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:45,520
engineer it it's kind of like

2094
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:48,000
somebody giving an iphone to somebody

2095
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,360
you know from

2096
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:51,199
the middle ages and saying here figure

2097
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,400
this out

2098
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:54,159
i don't know that that's what i mean you

2099
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:55,840
mentioned that we needed help i don't

2100
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:58,080
know that we would have the brain power

2101
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,120
and technology and understanding to to

2102
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,440
be able to to duplicate any of the

2103
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:05,440
technology or even understand what it

2104
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:08,480
does what it is how it works we wouldn't

2105
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:10,560
we wouldn't we would need them to find

2106
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:13,520
out what we knew give us hand-me-down

2107
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:16,800
technology example stealth teach us that

2108
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:19,760
and graduate us to whatever we recovered

2109
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,920
if it was so far advanced you and i on

2110
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:23,199
the same page

2111
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,960
there's no way if if if i went back in

2112
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:29,120
time and i saw me like in school like in

2113
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:30,560
third grade

2114
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:32,080
and went up to somebody one of my

2115
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:33,679
teachers and said the word email she's

2116
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,840
like what the heck is that

2117
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,440
but we take that for granted now that

2118
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:39,120
it's just a regular thing

2119
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,719
it's a a term addressed uh adjacent to a

2120
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,320
technology that we have now we didn't

2121
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:47,040
have any so i agree with you

2122
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:47,840
what

2123
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:50,640
we the back engineering aspect

2124
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:52,560
is them

2125
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:55,360
teaching us technology and teaching us

2126
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:58,159
we're attempting to what we recovered

2127
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,239
and showing us how it works

2128
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,120
and taking that and teaching us

2129
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,239
how to utilize it now because we are so

2130
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:08,960
far behind them it's going to take a

2131
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,159
while

2132
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,000
and it's probably going to be like that

2133
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,120
until the end of time into the world

2134
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:17,520
i mean i know that sounds crazy but

2135
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:20,239
if they started helping us in 58 it's

2136
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,360
possible

2137
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:23,280
that we are obviously further ahead in

2138
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,360
what we think but still far behind them

2139
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:29,520
yeah and you know this leads to a lot of

2140
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,199
interesting questions like if they are

2141
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:33,600
helping us you know there are stories of

2142
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:35,760
people saying that there's bases where

2143
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,840
there's aliens and humans working

2144
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,520
together and

2145
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,760
and other stories like that so if your

2146
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,679
theory is correct that we've been

2147
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,080
getting help with some of this stuff

2148
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:48,800
then they have to have some interaction

2149
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:50,800
with us somewhere there has to be a

2150
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,440
place well if they're doing that well

2151
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:55,600
one place that people have been and have

2152
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,239
said this for years is dolphin

2153
01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:00,159
they'll say new mexico the base under

2154
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,440
the mesa

2155
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:03,280
the base that's supposed to be under the

2156
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:06,320
artulada mesa there now

2157
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:07,679
if you've ever seen a picture of the

2158
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,679
mesa it's just like a

2159
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:11,360
it's like a mountain range i guess you

2160
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:13,440
would say you know on the outskirts of

2161
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:17,040
the town because dulce is a small

2162
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:18,560
it's so small you don't even really

2163
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,639
consider it a town i guess

2164
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:23,040
and on the top of the mesa are these

2165
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,560
antennas sticking out the mesa

2166
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,480
i've never seen a mountain

2167
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:30,560
that was nothing but a mountain have

2168
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,280
antennas sticking out the ground

2169
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:35,040
so that tells me there's something in

2170
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,040
that area somewhere

2171
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:39,840
okay could it be an underground base

2172
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,400
possibly i know we have the technology

2173
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:44,400
to build underground tunnels and

2174
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:46,000
railways

2175
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,360
we've had that ever since the end of

2176
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,679
world war ii we got it from the germans

2177
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:51,360
so it's possible

2178
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:54,080
it is very very possible there's a base

2179
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:55,040
there

2180
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,120
never be able to prove that

2181
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:01,120
yeah but i don't know about dulce that's

2182
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:03,679
in my gray basket because it sounds like

2183
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:06,560
a good story and i know for a fact that

2184
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,719
a lot of residents of dulce claim that

2185
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:10,960
they've seen ufos and they've seen you

2186
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:13,040
know lights in the sky coming in and out

2187
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,880
of the mountains and there's been a

2188
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,040
whole lot of unexplained phenomenon in

2189
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,280
the area but i just think it's a big

2190
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:21,520
leap from that to there's a base with

2191
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,480
like

2192
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,800
you know uh under under the mountain or

2193
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:27,040
inside the mountain and uh

2194
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,719
you know people

2195
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,320
people have looked for it and nobody's

2196
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:32,880
found it and part of the uh and part of

2197
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:35,440
the dulce bass stuff came from richard

2198
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:38,239
doty with benowitz and that's a big red

2199
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,520
flag to me because that was

2200
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,600
disinformation coming from the air force

2201
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,520
to dissuade benefits

2202
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,199
against what he was really seeing which

2203
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,600
was top secret drone technology that

2204
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,679
they were developing at the time in the

2205
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:51,040
80s

2206
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,199
so dolce bass though is definitely it's

2207
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,280
like one of those it's part of ufo

2208
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:57,520
mythology and people bring it up and

2209
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,480
people debate it and i'm still

2210
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:03,440
i have not looked into it enough to form

2211
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,480
a a positive or negative opinion on

2212
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,719
what's real the one thing

2213
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,560
the one thing about it the one thing

2214
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,800
about it that really got me thinking on

2215
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:14,880
the side of okay there could be some

2216
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:17,520
kind of facility there

2217
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:18,880
is that

2218
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:20,800
like i said there's antennas coming out

2219
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:24,000
the top of the the mesa there and i was

2220
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,800
watching an episode of ufo hunters that

2221
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:28,560
was on history channel this is when i

2222
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:30,880
first started looking into delta

2223
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:34,800
there was a local uh person there who

2224
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:37,280
was living there in the 70s when they

2225
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:40,880
allegedly had a quote unquote

2226
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,360
the alien firefight you know the phil

2227
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,280
schneider story

2228
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,760
this man remembers when all the bodies

2229
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,840
were pulled out of

2230
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,280
the base

2231
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,239
he he said that he saw

2232
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,400
the bodies coming out you know the dead

2233
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:58,480
bodies you know the people that died the

2234
01:23:01,430 --> 01:23:00,000
soldiers whatever

2235
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:01,440
um

2236
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:03,040
but he said we're not supposed to talk

2237
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,920
about it but i saw it now my thing is

2238
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,320
this either that's the truth or it's a

2239
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,880
lie so when i heard that i'm like okay

2240
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,800
i'm gonna go on that i'm gonna research

2241
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:14,639
this thing

2242
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:17,120
and anybody that i've ever asked about

2243
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:20,080
dulce situation have had mixed opinions

2244
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,120
on

2245
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,960
and that's fine because it's not

2246
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,440
something that's clear i get that

2247
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,120
it's one of those things to where we

2248
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,440
have to investigate find out what we can

2249
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:32,000
and make up our own mind what we believe

2250
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:37,990
my gut feeling because it's such a

2251
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:40,320
horrific story

2252
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:43,600
and i know damn well mk ultra was very

2253
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:44,639
real

2254
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:48,480
why i know that

2255
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:51,679
that's why i don't totally discredit the

2256
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,639
dulce stories i've heard

2257
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,880
because to me

2258
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,280
a lot of the mk ultra horror stories

2259
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:00,960
that i've heard from

2260
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,440
firsthand people god bless them

2261
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:05,199
sounds like what's going on at dolphin

2262
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,120
and i would not be surprised so that's

2263
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,280
why i look at don't they like that

2264
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,199
sure and i'm now i'm wearing the same

2265
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:13,120
way i think there's there's evidence

2266
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,000
both ways and the jury's still out and

2267
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,880
one of the things i've often thought is

2268
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:21,040
maybe there was something there and they

2269
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:23,679
shut the base down after the story got

2270
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:25,440
out i mean that's that is

2271
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:26,480
yes sir

2272
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:29,280
and i also i also know someone who lives

2273
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,880
in that area

2274
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,960
who looked into some things for me and

2275
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:34,880
told me that he met

2276
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,760
someone from the

2277
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:39,199
american

2278
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,920
who told him that there are air vents

2279
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,520
coming out of the mountain

2280
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:50,000
at various places but

2281
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,239
that person refused to go there and show

2282
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,840
him them

2283
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:55,360
either out of fear

2284
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:56,400
or

2285
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,000
i don't know why but that native

2286
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:02,000
american would not take him and show him

2287
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:04,480
the air vents but swore that somewhere

2288
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:05,520
on that

2289
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:06,880
in that

2290
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,960
place there is air vents coming out of

2291
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,120
that mountain which would mean that

2292
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,639
there is definitely something

2293
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:15,280
underground there and there is there is

2294
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,560
definitely

2295
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,880
supporting evidence to suggest that

2296
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:21,360
there's cold war underground missile

2297
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:23,920
installations in the area

2298
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,800
yes sir so that is another

2299
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,960
kind of a piece of evidence there was

2300
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,560
definitely underground missile

2301
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,800
installations in that area

2302
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:34,560
and that may be why

2303
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:36,639
uh some of the legends of an underground

2304
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:38,000
base there

2305
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:39,840
because i always believe that when

2306
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,239
there's a legend or a myth there's some

2307
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:44,800
nugget of truth that starts it

2308
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:48,560
you know oh absolutely yes sir

2309
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:50,320
sure dulce is definitely one of those

2310
01:25:52,830 --> 01:25:52,159
hall of mirrors interesting things to

2311
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,840
look

2312
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:55,360
into but it's one of those things that

2313
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,800
like i said earlier in the interview

2314
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:59,199
like i'm on the outside looking in

2315
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:01,840
i'm never gonna know for sure

2316
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,199
i've just got to listen to the stories

2317
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:07,520
use my gut reaction

2318
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:08,480
and

2319
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:09,840
make a decision of what i'm going to

2320
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,040
choose to believe it's kind of like you

2321
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:13,440
would bob lazar you know we disagree but

2322
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:15,199
that's okay

2323
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,719
life's going to be fine that's not going

2324
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,960
to stop anything good or bad happening

2325
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:20,719
you know

2326
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:23,760
though i think that it's healthy and

2327
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,400
it's good as even you know

2328
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,679
to to have

2329
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:29,920
to have friends that disagree see that's

2330
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:32,719
how men handle it do you know how

2331
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:34,320
you know you can you can be friends with

2332
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:35,760
somebody and you can just agree to

2333
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:38,159
disagree on a subject and that's okay

2334
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,480
the problem comes the problem comes when

2335
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:42,639
people start attacking you for your view

2336
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:44,960
or blocking you on social media because

2337
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:47,199
you said bob lazar was a liar and here's

2338
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,159
why

2339
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,560
ignoring your evidence

2340
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,080
and you know

2341
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:54,320
that i have a problem with but i'm fine

2342
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,840
with the open

2343
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:57,840
dialogue and debate you know like i

2344
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,520
always tell people as far as my show

2345
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:01,440
goes if i say something you disagree

2346
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,320
with me

2347
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,080
you can contact me on social media and

2348
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:06,560
tell me or if you think i'm wrong that's

2349
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:09,040
fine tell me why i'm wrong show me your

2350
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,440
evidence and we'll talk about it that i

2351
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,120
think is the healthy

2352
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,440
open way to go about these things and

2353
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,840
not to be confrontational and block

2354
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:19,679
people so you can try to control the

2355
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:21,679
narrative you don't want to hear the the

2356
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,400
evidence that i have that's fine but

2357
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:26,080
that's kind of a crazy way to be i'd

2358
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:27,360
rather have friends like you that i

2359
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,760
could say well i don't believe that

2360
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:31,679
you're correct and and here's why and

2361
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:33,760
let's talk about it it's it's a fight

2362
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:36,239
it's a better way to go about things

2363
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:38,560
oh yeah you're gonna have tunnel vision

2364
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:39,520
people

2365
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,960
think that everybody else is wrong and

2366
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,320
they're the only one that's right those

2367
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,840
are the know-it-alls in the world and

2368
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,280
there's plenty of them

2369
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:51,440
and you know what that's going to happen

2370
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:53,440
and ufology does not need people like

2371
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,000
that ufology needs people that are

2372
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,920
open-minded that's willing to listen to

2373
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,280
their neighbor

2374
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:01,920
because there is no expert here

2375
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:04,080
you know if there was

2376
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,480
that person would have their own office

2377
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,320
somewhere and we'd be lined up with

2378
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,480
notebooks and pens and ask

2379
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:12,719
to ask the questions and get the answers

2380
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,350
i've often heard the saying if anybody

2381
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,440
tells you they know the truth about ufos

2382
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:21,520
run because they're lying

2383
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:24,880
you know exactly because yeah yeah um

2384
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:26,239
it's a mystery

2385
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,719
it's all one big mystery

2386
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,400
yeah when something's unidentified

2387
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,880
that's just it that means you don't know

2388
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:34,960
so you can't have all the answers you

2389
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:36,080
know it's just

2390
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:37,520
you know like someone gives you a

2391
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,040
christmas present you don't know what's

2392
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:41,520
in it so you have no idea our batteries

2393
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,480
included

2394
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,719
do you need batteries if it's a better

2395
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,280
something electronic you don't know you

2396
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:49,920
have to research it by opening the gift

2397
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:52,639
duh ufos are the same way

2398
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:54,159
you got to get to the bottom of it the

2399
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:58,159
best way you possibly can and you know

2400
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:00,400
no matter what we do in ufology people

2401
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:01,760
in the pentagon are always going to be

2402
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:04,239
holding all the aces if they've got all

2403
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,280
the answers we don't this information is

2404
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:08,880
going to get thrown out and we got to

2405
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:12,639
sit through it the best way we can

2406
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:14,560
simple as that well you know a lot of

2407
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:16,880
people are thinking that the uh the

2408
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:19,679
walls of secrecy are crumbling now and

2409
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,320
disclosure is just around the corner and

2410
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:24,400
some of these things no to the stars

2411
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,199
academy and louis elizondo or the first

2412
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,520
uh or the tip of the spear of this thing

2413
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,400
called disclosure honestly i don't

2414
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:34,320
believe it's going to happen what are

2415
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:37,199
your thoughts on this disclosure

2416
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:40,800
no sir no sir i i believe 10 years ago

2417
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,320
when i started looking in this i told

2418
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:44,239
myself i'm like okay

2419
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:46,960
i may never know this but

2420
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:50,320
if the answer to all these questions is

2421
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:52,480
is if this is the answer

2422
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:55,199
if the answer is alien existence on this

2423
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:58,159
planet if that's the hardcore truth

2424
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:00,800
that is something that the united states

2425
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:03,840
government is not going to come out and

2426
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,719
say

2427
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:06,880
they will tell you in in the reason

2428
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,840
they're not

2429
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:09,520
number one

2430
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:10,880
three-quarters of the people ain't gonna

2431
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,080
believe it because it's supposed to be

2432
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,320
science fiction number two

2433
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:16,480
if they do then that means they've been

2434
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:19,440
lying for at least 70 years if not more

2435
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,280
they don't want that either

2436
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,520
their biggest fear is not

2437
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:25,440
the fact that they're going to get

2438
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,120
caught in a lie

2439
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,040
is the fact that

2440
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:30,880
they're going to lose power with the

2441
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:31,840
people

2442
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:33,760
because

2443
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:34,800
the

2444
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:40,000
in my confusion and when i say that

2445
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:43,199
they're not gonna no i absolutely i

2446
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,960
honestly absolutely agree with you and

2447
01:30:49,990 --> 01:30:47,040
that's that matches perfectly in line

2448
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:50,000
with what i say and what i say is that

2449
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,360
they have to have

2450
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:53,840
an incredible motivation to tell us the

2451
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:55,840
truth and also admit that they've been

2452
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:58,800
lying to us since at least 1947 probably

2453
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:59,920
earlier

2454
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:00,880
and

2455
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:03,280
i believe all these people that are

2456
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,440
stopping that you know banging that

2457
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,400
disclosure drum are making money

2458
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:09,840
you know because there's an incredible

2459
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:11,679
desire for this thing called disclosure

2460
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:13,760
people want to believe it's true people

2461
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,360
want to be vindicated

2462
01:31:20,470 --> 01:31:17,600
and that vindication is a big deal like

2463
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:20,480
imagine if disclosure did happen right

2464
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:21,840
think about all the people that thought

2465
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,679
you were crazy for being interested in

2466
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:25,920
this stuff and believing some of it

2467
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:27,920
suddenly you'd be vindicated if suddenly

2468
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:29,679
like the president went on the

2469
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:32,159
television and told everybody listen uh

2470
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:33,840
this crash happened and we have

2471
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:35,840
recovered alien spacecraft and we have

2472
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:37,920
verification of life on other planets

2473
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,560
and uh we're sorry we lied to you we

2474
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:42,480
would all be vindicated all of us people

2475
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,480
that everybody thinks is crazy for being

2476
01:31:48,149 --> 01:31:46,320
interested that's right investigating

2477
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:48,159
this stuff and believing it we would all

2478
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:49,840
be vindicated so there's an incredible

2479
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:51,920
hunger and i think people are exploiting

2480
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:54,480
that hunger to make money that's what i

2481
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:56,800
believe that this to the stars academy

2482
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,800
and louis elizondo is because if those

2483
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:00,719
guys had the truth why not just drop it

2484
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,280
why do you have to start a corporation

2485
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:05,600
make a tv show to make money sell books

2486
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:07,440
sell dvds you're going to be they're

2487
01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:09,360
going to be making movies

2488
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:11,920
it's it's all about money to some extent

2489
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:14,400
and i also believe like i said

2490
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:15,920
i don't believe the government has any

2491
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:18,159
motivation whatsoever to tell the truth

2492
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,800
if there is something you know like

2493
01:32:23,750 --> 01:32:22,400
richard dolan says like a breakaway

2494
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:23,760
civilization they have all this

2495
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:25,679
technology that we don't have access to

2496
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,199
or know about why are they going to give

2497
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:29,040
that up they they don't want to give

2498
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:30,960
that up and also

2499
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:32,719
there has to be

2500
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:34,320
i think that the only way it's ever

2501
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,400
going to happen is if there's some event

2502
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,639
like the phoenix lights but but 10 times

2503
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:40,800
greater where

2504
01:32:43,990 --> 01:32:42,639
tens of thousands of people are going to

2505
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:44,000
see something and they're not going to

2506
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,679
be able to explain it away they're going

2507
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:47,280
to have to give us some form of

2508
01:32:50,709 --> 01:32:48,560
disclosure

2509
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:50,719
or some form that's when that's when

2510
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:52,800
you're holly that's when your hologram

2511
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:55,199
technology comes into play yes and i

2512
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:57,440
heard about that

2513
01:32:59,590 --> 01:32:58,400
and

2514
01:33:01,510 --> 01:32:59,600
but

2515
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:01,520
project bluebeam has already been used

2516
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:03,360
to the public but nobody's seen it i

2517
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:04,159
mean

2518
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:05,600
you know i'm not going to get into that

2519
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:07,520
subject on this show but

2520
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:10,480
it was used in 2001

2521
01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:12,719
but nobody believes it so i don't talk

2522
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:14,480
about it much but

2523
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,239
um

2524
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:18,159
the project bluebeam the hologram

2525
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:20,639
technology situation

2526
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:23,360
that is gonna be used as a piece of

2527
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:26,000
disinformation in some respect i'm

2528
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:28,239
that's been my gut feeling ever since i

2529
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:30,239
heard about us having it

2530
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,520
somehow some way it's gonna be used in a

2531
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:35,760
this info campaign

2532
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:36,719
now

2533
01:33:44,629 --> 01:33:38,639
i think

2534
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,639
that this this tic tac ufo that these

2535
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:46,480
navy pilots saw

2536
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:49,199
they explained that they explained that

2537
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:51,679
this thing was about 40

2538
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:55,280
feet long and it was smooth so it had no

2539
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:56,639
detail

2540
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:58,000
um

2541
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:59,280
to it you know what i'm saying you know

2542
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:01,679
how like a plane you it says oh had a

2543
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:04,320
door here and a window and you know it

2544
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:06,080
was just a smooth it looked like a tic

2545
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,040
tac that'd be really easy to create a

2546
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:11,040
holographic image and have it dance

2547
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:12,320
around

2548
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:14,800
and i've said to myself the tic tac one

2549
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,480
could be a hologram could be project

2550
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,159
bluebeam

2551
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:20,320
but god bless the pilots that saw it

2552
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:22,080
they don't know it they're not read into

2553
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:24,080
the program and they're saying this

2554
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:25,760
thing's doing all these

2555
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:27,600
incredible maneuvers

2556
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:29,840
well a hologram projection you could do

2557
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:30,639
that

2558
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:37,920
it could be

2559
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:40,000
because we got the technology

2560
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:40,880
so

2561
01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:44,159
that's one theory about the tic tac that

2562
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:45,679
i have not heard most people seem to

2563
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:46,480
think

2564
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:49,040
one fall into one or two camps about

2565
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:51,840
that video it's an alien spacecraft or

2566
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:54,239
it's some sort of top secret

2567
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,040
government some government's top secret

2568
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,280
drone or aircraft that we don't know

2569
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,800
about

2570
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:02,400
they're assuming it's

2571
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:04,480
they're assuming that it is a structured

2572
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:07,920
craft but if you listen to the um i

2573
01:35:12,070 --> 01:35:10,239
believe it was a young lady that saw it

2574
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,080
she explained it that it was it looked

2575
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:14,400
like a tic tac it was smooth

2576
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:16,320
40 foot long

2577
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:18,719
based on the way she described it

2578
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:20,639
it sounds like something you could

2579
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:24,080
actually create a hologram projection of

2580
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:26,239
now in reality maybe it was an actual

2581
01:35:29,109 --> 01:35:27,600
structure crap

2582
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:29,119
but i'm trying i'm sitting here trying

2583
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:31,199
to trying to figure out what we could be

2584
01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:33,199
dealing with here and if it's an

2585
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:35,119
advanced technology that we all don't

2586
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:37,760
know about hologram technology is part

2587
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:38,639
of that

2588
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:41,199
because not everybody realizes we got it

2589
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,800
even though

2590
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:44,960
it was used on american idol and elvis

2591
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:47,119
thing with celine dion but i mean you

2592
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,159
know

2593
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:50,480
it's right there yeah i've seen that

2594
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:52,639
i've seen the tupac holograms and

2595
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:55,360
there's yeah

2596
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:57,119
yeah

2597
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:58,880
the technology's there these people seen

2598
01:36:02,870 --> 01:36:00,639
it but you try to tell them we got a

2599
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:02,880
project blue blue being this hologram

2600
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:04,560
technology they look at you like you

2601
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:06,480
crazy and then i look back at them like

2602
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:08,159
what the hell is that well the one thing

2603
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,600
i don't know i'm

2604
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:11,199
i'm not sure that a hologram would show

2605
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,280
up on radar and these tic tac things

2606
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,360
apparently did so

2607
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:17,920
that's true that's very true

2608
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:20,560
but if the planes on

2609
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,880
911 were holograms

2610
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:25,280
they look pretty real on tv didn't it

2611
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:26,719
sure yeah

2612
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,040
okay think about that

2613
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,280
yeah i'm not sure i'm not sure

2614
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:33,760
as as big into all of this conspiracy

2615
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:36,320
theory as stuff as i am i'm not sure

2616
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:37,360
on

2617
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:41,440
thing i'm sure of is we didn't get the

2618
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:44,400
real story because of oh no

2619
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:46,480
it was it was an operation northwoods

2620
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,119
from start to finish

2621
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:52,159
yeah and a convenient excuse to invade a

2622
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,320
sovereign country that never did if

2623
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:57,280
you've ever yeah that was if you've ever

2624
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,119
if you've ever out if you've ever

2625
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:01,679
researched operation northwoods

2626
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,000
the foundation of that was to do false

2627
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,239
flag attacks on america and blame other

2628
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:08,639
countries just so you can go to war

2629
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:10,400
sure yeah well

2630
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:12,080
you know when people think that that's

2631
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:14,159
so crazy i tell them to look up the gulf

2632
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,239
of tonkin

2633
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:18,560
because you know that's a proven false

2634
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:21,040
flag operation that we've pretty much

2635
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,639
they pretty much admitted yeah we kind

2636
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:24,400
of we kind of flubbed a lot of stuff

2637
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:26,080
something happened but not exactly the

2638
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:29,920
way we said and we exaggerated it and

2639
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:32,080
and we added to it and that gave us a

2640
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:35,040
reason to go into vietnam and

2641
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:37,360
i believe that 911 gave us a reason for

2642
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:38,639
all these we're

2643
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:41,199
we've basically taken over two sovereign

2644
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:42,320
countries

2645
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:43,840
uh

2646
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,199
looks like we're gonna go iran next if

2647
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:51,360
if they're not stopped

2648
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:52,719
because there's

2649
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:54,880
you know there's never enough war

2650
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:56,880
uh for the war mongers because they

2651
01:38:00,629 --> 01:37:58,960
profits well here's the thing

2652
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,639
here's the thing

2653
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:03,360
uh colonel fletcher brownie uh gave an

2654
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:05,520
interview for um

2655
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,679
a public access station this was in the

2656
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:09,600
1970s

2657
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,280
he said that

2658
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:13,199
war is big business

2659
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:15,760
war may you make money during a war

2660
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:17,360
so that's why

2661
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:18,239
war

2662
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:20,239
is

2663
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:21,840
what

2664
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,960
a lot of

2665
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:24,960
i'm trying to think how to say this

2666
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:26,480
the pentagon would really go to war than

2667
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:30,159
not because it's big business okay now

2668
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,560
jfk i gotta touch on this before we

2669
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:34,880
close our interview because it has a lot

2670
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:38,880
to do with ufos and operation northwood

2671
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:41,520
jfk's assassination happened on november

2672
01:38:46,709 --> 01:38:44,480
the 22nd 1963. we all know that if

2673
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:46,719
you're at least 30 something years old

2674
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:52,310
the allegement or anal judgment was that

2675
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:55,840
mj 12 ordered the kennedy assassination

2676
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:00,719
after jfk requested ufo intel now jfk

2677
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,040
sent a letter to the cia dated november

2678
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:05,440
the 12th 10 days before the

2679
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,800
assassination

2680
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:08,239
now

2681
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,719
10 10 days is not long enough to get a

2682
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:12,560
plan together to take out the president

2683
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:14,639
united states

2684
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:17,600
something was being planned before the

2685
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:20,800
the date of november that 12th

2686
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,000
i believe what was going on is

2687
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:26,560
the powers that be

2688
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:28,000
military black ops whatever you want to

2689
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:30,400
call it was going to simulate an attack

2690
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:31,679
on jfk

2691
01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:34,639
in either chicago or tampa

2692
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:39,350
as a false flag simulated an

2693
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,920
assassination not not killing

2694
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:43,840
he changed his opinions on communism

2695
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,840
because they thought he was coming

2696
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,920
he wasn't he just didn't want to go to

2697
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:49,520
war

2698
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:50,719
now

2699
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:53,440
that's what i believe was being planned

2700
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:56,000
but when he requested ufo material the

2701
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:57,520
plan changed

2702
01:40:01,910 --> 01:40:00,320
and it was something this simple like

2703
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,920
okay we got to hit the target instead of

2704
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,440
missing i know that sounds kind of

2705
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:06,000
morbid but the plan changed on november

2706
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:11,830
that's what i believe that's not that's

2707
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:13,920
how that's come about that's another one

2708
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:16,000
of those great conspiracies and great

2709
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:18,480
mysteries and it's another one of those

2710
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:20,480
stories that i don't believe will ever

2711
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:22,719
get the total truth of they're still

2712
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:23,760
hiding

2713
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:27,520
all these years later about the jfk

2714
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:29,440
assassination well ask you ask yourself

2715
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,679
a question if the one commission lied in

2716
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:33,520
1964

2717
01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:35,760
why should we trust any document that

2718
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,840
comes out of the united states

2719
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:39,360
government's front door that has

2720
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:42,000
anything to do with candy assassination

2721
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,639
elf fletcher proudly said in the 1970s

2722
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:47,199
that the documents would be doctored for

2723
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,199
later release

2724
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:51,520
you can't trust the info in there

2725
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,239
because it's going to make lee oswald

2726
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,560
look guilty of sin

2727
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:58,239
anybody that trusts anything in the

2728
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:59,760
documents

2729
01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:00,639
are

2730
01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:02,000
gullible

2731
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:03,760
and i'm not saying some of the doctors

2732
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,199
may not have some

2733
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:07,440
facts in them

2734
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,280
but no matter what when you look at them

2735
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:10,880
whenever they release them

2736
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:17,430
that's just the way it is

2737
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:19,119
so even though

2738
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:21,119
there's been evidence that jim garrison

2739
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:22,800
showed the world there was a conspiracy

2740
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,760
but those documents won't ever show that

2741
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,760
i don't believe they will

2742
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:29,440
because if so then that's going to show

2743
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,119
that one commission lied can't do that

2744
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,199
it's like roswell you can't admit you

2745
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:37,600
lied about roswell

2746
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:39,199
yeah and roswell's one of those things

2747
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,280
that i always laugh about because they

2748
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,960
that's like what are they up to the

2749
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,560
third explanation

2750
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,960
i mean the first it's a flying saucer

2751
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,440
and that got out on the wires and uh the

2752
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:51,280
story went crazy and then suddenly it's

2753
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:53,040
a weather balloon and now now it's a

2754
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:56,159
mogul top-secret balloon to detect

2755
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:59,840
nuclear detonations from russia

2756
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:02,000
you know you know what's so amazing

2757
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:02,880
why

2758
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:07,520
had to accompany that weather balloon

2759
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:10,159
all the way to right path

2760
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:11,360
yeah it was a

2761
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:18,870
we have the only nuclear

2762
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:20,639
bomb group

2763
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:22,159
in the world

2764
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,880
and we're expected to believe that those

2765
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:25,920
men

2766
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,119
uh who see weather balloons every day

2767
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,520
didn't know that was a weather balloon

2768
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:33,440
they they went straight to this is a

2769
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:36,400
flying saucer that's crazy well here's

2770
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,000
here's another thing that not many

2771
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:40,239
people know about the roswell timeline

2772
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:42,480
before major marcel went out to the

2773
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:43,920
foster ranch

2774
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,920
he went to the sheriff's office and met

2775
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:47,360
matt brown

2776
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:50,960
he had a box of this debris

2777
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,679
jesse marcel looked at this stuff in the

2778
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:55,520
sheriff's office and knew

2779
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,480
okay

2780
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:58,560
big chunks of metal something's out

2781
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,000
there we don't know what we need to go

2782
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,320
see so he knew right then before he got

2783
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:03,679
in the car and started to drive towards

2784
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:06,320
that ranch that whatever was out there

2785
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,159
wasn't a weather balloon

2786
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:10,800
yes and also the metal and also the size

2787
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,639
of the debris field a weather balloon

2788
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:14,880
would need really a debris field that

2789
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:17,199
huge and it wouldn't require

2790
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,639
40 soldiers and trucks to gather it all

2791
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:22,080
up nope

2792
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:24,320
and it would not create two crash sites

2793
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:30,070
there was two crash sites yes

2794
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:31,040
yeah

2795
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:34,960
fought the foster ranch and then corona

2796
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:37,119
corona i think was 20 miles away 30

2797
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,880
miles away i think yes and corona is

2798
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,639
where the good stuff came from

2799
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:42,560
apparently allegedly

2800
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:45,360
yeah allegedly yet allegedly the one

2801
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:47,600
body that survived was found at the

2802
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:50,480
coronal location

2803
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,960
and that was allegedly the picture that

2804
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:54,639
you can find

2805
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:56,159
and the nickname for the picture is

2806
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,520
skinny bob i don't know if you've ever

2807
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:59,040
seen that picture i've got sure yeah

2808
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,239
i've seen

2809
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,880
one of my favorite videos and uh that

2810
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,480
skinny buff video

2811
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,560
i don't know if it's true uh i don't

2812
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,239
know if it's real

2813
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:10,480
but i love that video and if it isn't

2814
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:11,199
real

2815
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:13,360
somebody did a great job faking that

2816
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,719
because that

2817
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,199
i really heard that a million times yeah

2818
01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:20,080
yep i've said that a million times yeah

2819
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:22,639
i've always said if that's a fake it's a

2820
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:27,750
that's one of those ones that's one of

2821
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:30,080
those tantalizing things too that just

2822
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:32,719
showed up on youtube one day and nobody

2823
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:35,840
quite is able to track down the owner of

2824
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,000
the youtube account that uploaded that

2825
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:40,480
originally

2826
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,679
and uh

2827
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:43,280
the jury's still out on that video

2828
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:45,360
because no one has thoroughly debunked

2829
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:47,199
it or come forward and said i made it

2830
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:48,800
here's how and showing proof of how it

2831
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:49,840
was made

2832
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:50,719
so

2833
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:52,080
it's just a great

2834
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:55,119
image of an alien if that's real

2835
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,800
even if it's not real i think it's very

2836
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:58,880
well done you know it's one of the best

2837
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:00,880
hoaxes that i've ever seen

2838
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:03,280
it certainly beats this uh a lot of

2839
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:04,880
stuff out there that that has been

2840
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:07,360
proven to be to be fraud like the alien

2841
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,239
autopsy or the alien interview thing

2842
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:12,320
yeah that crap there just makes you

2843
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:14,000
follows you look bad that and that

2844
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,840
surely offended me and this alien

2845
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,760
autopsy thing is making the rounds again

2846
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,440
now that guy's coming out and saying no

2847
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:21,360
well it was a recreation but i still

2848
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:23,119
have the original film

2849
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:25,280
and i guess he's going to try to make a

2850
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:27,280
boatload more money on the real film

2851
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:29,199
this time instead of the recreation well

2852
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:30,400
i'm gonna tell you

2853
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:33,119
somebody like me is not that believes

2854
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:34,480
that they're here

2855
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:36,639
i'm not gonna even look at that as being

2856
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:38,960
a factual thing you know even though

2857
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:40,639
let's say it is let's say it's telling

2858
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:42,639
the truth i don't have faith in it i

2859
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:45,600
mean because you've you've already

2860
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:47,920
screwed us once was yeah he's a fakery

2861
01:45:51,990 --> 01:45:50,239
he's burned the bones yeah yeah once

2862
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:52,000
once you're proven a fraud it's kind of

2863
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,760
hard to come back from that

2864
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:55,520
and uh i don't know what's going to

2865
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:56,880
happen with that but i think it's

2866
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:58,639
interesting that it's making the rounds

2867
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:01,119
again now and uh he's been making

2868
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:03,280
statements this race antilles lately to

2869
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:06,159
people and uh grant cameron just talked

2870
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:08,000
about this and a few other researchers

2871
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:09,119
that are saying well maybe we should

2872
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:11,119
look into it again and i say no we

2873
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,600
shouldn't it was a fake a fraud the guy

2874
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:16,080
made millions of dollars on it let's not

2875
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,840
give him any more spotlight because it

2876
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:19,679
just like you said it makes the whole

2877
01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:22,960
field look ridiculous and worthy of

2878
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:25,440
and worthy of mockery

2879
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:29,920
yeah well i'm looking at it like okay

2880
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:32,480
if they're if they're being honest this

2881
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,119
time and it's real blah blah blah

2882
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:37,040
okay good somebody else can get the

2883
01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:38,880
credit for it i'm risking

2884
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:40,400
i have no problem

2885
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:42,080
turning my head to it

2886
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:43,600
you know because it's one of those

2887
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:44,880
things to where

2888
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,320
it's almost kind of like when somebody

2889
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:48,239
does that they're poking fun at you

2890
01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:49,440
followed you

2891
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:51,119
because they're saying haha it ain't

2892
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,800
real

2893
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:55,119
and with so many things

2894
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:57,360
that if you have a subject with so many

2895
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:00,560
unanswered legitimate questions

2896
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:03,840
it's it's kind of like a fable it gets

2897
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:06,800
started with a little bit of fact

2898
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:09,679
so why are these questions not answered

2899
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:11,520
you know why are we being told one thing

2900
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:13,840
when something else is going on

2901
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:15,760
why are all that why are all these

2902
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:17,920
documents coming out with all these

2903
01:47:21,990 --> 01:47:19,600
words blacked out

2904
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:22,000
so when somebody's hiding something

2905
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:24,000
something is

2906
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:26,080
there

2907
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,679
question is what

2908
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,600
sure there's something there's a say i

2909
01:47:33,750 --> 01:47:31,840
know you uh yeah there's a saying too

2910
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:33,760
it's uh it's uh

2911
01:47:38,709 --> 01:47:36,239
questions are only dangerous to people

2912
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:38,719
who have something to hide

2913
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,719
oh most definitely yeah you know that's

2914
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:42,480
like and that and this is kind of off

2915
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:43,840
subject but

2916
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,639
um

2917
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:46,800
there was a big stink on the news a

2918
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:49,040
while back about people going to like

2919
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:52,320
walmart and the associate that's at the

2920
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:55,040
door asked to see their receipt now my

2921
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,400
thing is this

2922
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:58,320
it's just a piece of paper

2923
01:48:04,229 --> 01:47:59,840
show it to him

2924
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,239
have something to hide that's my

2925
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:08,870
i know that's a touchy subject yeah this

2926
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,719
is a touchy subject you know what's

2927
01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:13,199
funny is i knew i moved out of the city

2928
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:14,639
i used to live in philadelphia where

2929
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:16,480
they checked you everybody checked you

2930
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:18,080
at the door and it's kind of annoying

2931
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:19,520
maybe you put the receipt in your pocket

2932
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:21,040
or in your wallet and now you got all

2933
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,800
your bags because sometimes they're

2934
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:24,480
there to check and sometimes they're not

2935
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,639
you take the rece you know and then i

2936
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:28,560
moved to the suburbs and nobody does

2937
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:31,040
that and it's nice you pay you walk out

2938
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,880
you don't have to you don't have to do

2939
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:34,320
that well i'm going to tell you i'm

2940
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:36,400
going to tell you i have i have seen

2941
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:39,760
situations in the retail world

2942
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,239
to where they did not check and people

2943
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:45,119
were leaving with unpaid product i have

2944
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:48,239
seen it sure it happens

2945
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,040
it happens and a few people ruin it for

2946
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:53,920
everybody but the thing is but the thing

2947
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:57,119
is is if you know a store has an

2948
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:59,040
associate that checks it on the way out

2949
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,119
and you paid for your stuff

2950
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:03,760
my thing is this use the noodle hold it

2951
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:06,320
in your hand show it to them tell them

2952
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:08,639
to have a nice day they'll do the same

2953
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,400
no problem sure people create problems

2954
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:14,639
well i guess i guess i guess i would

2955
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,880
like to ask you a final question is like

2956
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:18,880
where are you at where are you at and

2957
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:21,040
all this and what are your plans and

2958
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,639
what are you going to do going forward

2959
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:24,800
about all of the this

2960
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,480
this

2961
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:28,560
i guess can of worms that you opened for

2962
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:31,280
yourself where are you going exactly

2963
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,159
well

2964
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:34,400
sometimes in ufology you really never

2965
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:38,000
know where things take you what i do

2966
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:40,159
on a day-to-day basis

2967
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:41,199
is

2968
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:42,400
i will

2969
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:44,960
look at the social media news feeds and

2970
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:47,199
see what stories pop up related to

2971
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,800
mythology

2972
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:50,560
and if it's something i've never heard

2973
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:52,880
about i take note of it and i got this

2974
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:54,400
notebook where i write all this stuff

2975
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,239
down and i add it to my research list

2976
01:50:01,270 --> 01:50:00,400
and that's what i do that's how i do

2977
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:01,280
this

2978
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:03,840
on a day-to-day basis i might research

2979
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,320
something and it might take me to

2980
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:08,239
the skin walker subject

2981
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:10,960
hypothetically you know that's what i do

2982
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:12,639
on a day-to-day basis

2983
01:50:15,589 --> 01:50:14,080
and that's what i've pretty much done

2984
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:15,599
for the last 10 years that's how i've

2985
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:19,760
come up with the theory that i have

2986
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:21,760
based on

2987
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:25,040
allegements by military and civilian

2988
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:28,239
people that have allegedly been in the

2989
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:33,910
that's where i'm at

2990
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,639
and i know for a fact there's secrets

2991
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:38,400
that the pentagon's got i'm never gonna

2992
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:39,119
know

2993
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:40,960
but that's the way it is national

2994
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,760
security i get that i'm all for that i

2995
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,280
really am

2996
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,760
but when you have a major event in our

2997
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,440
country's history like roswell and it's

2998
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:51,360
obviously lied about something

2999
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:53,199
and they still ain't told the truth

3000
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:54,960
that's kind of annoying i mean come on

3001
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,320
you know it was 1947 admit it

3002
01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:00,719
if it was if it was the unthinkable

3003
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:02,800
meaning alien

3004
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:03,760
that's the

3005
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:05,360
it's kind of like indirect but that's

3006
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:06,560
really what it was because they're

3007
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:09,440
making up every excuse except that

3008
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:11,760
and every excuses is fake and phony and

3009
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:14,560
hokey and we know it and i think and i

3010
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,440
think they know we know it

3011
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:19,760
and it might be their way of telling us

3012
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:22,320
that it was the unthinkable without

3013
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,280
actually saying the senate

3014
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:27,360
you know

3015
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,239
so it's a lot of mystery i believe

3016
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,560
you're right it's still a great mystery

3017
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:34,560
and that might be a good place to end

3018
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:36,080
our talk

3019
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:37,840
did you want to tell my listeners where

3020
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,599
they can contact you

3021
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,760
yes well basically it's real simple if

3022
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:43,679
you go to faith you're on facebook which

3023
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:45,360
everybody in the brother is

3024
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:46,960
just search for me donnie brook

3025
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:51,589
um

3026
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:54,560
my fan page is donnie brooks slash pro

3027
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:56,880
wrestle ufo hunter

3028
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:00,800
my email is donnie brook mail.com

3029
01:52:04,229 --> 01:52:02,560
i'll give uh i'm gonna give you my

3030
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:04,239
contact information and you can post

3031
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,520
that as well

3032
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:07,440
but i'm really easy to i'm really i'm

3033
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:09,360
really easy to find and anybody

3034
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:11,679
listening to anybody that's listening to

3035
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:12,719
the show

3036
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:16,960
know my

3037
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,960
information would be free to give out no

3038
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:20,400
problem

3039
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:22,239
well thank you very much for joining me

3040
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,159
tonight donnie brooke

3041
01:52:29,109 --> 01:52:26,400
and i see

3042
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,119
that our time is once again running

3043
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:30,960
short here

3044
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,280
on the midnight hour show

3045
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:35,599
i want to thank you all for joining me

3046
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:37,040
and remind you

3047
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:39,360
that there are new episodes of the

3048
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:42,880
midnight hour show every saturday night

3049
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:46,400
right here on the fringe fm

3050
01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:49,920
midnight eastern standard time 9 p.m

3051
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:51,520
pacific

3052
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:54,639
i hope you will join us next week where

3053
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:56,239
we will continue

3054
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,880
our incredible journey

3055
01:53:02,470 --> 01:53:00,800
as for me

3056
01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:02,480
yes my friends

3057
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:05,199
my journey continues and i will continue

3058
01:53:12,229 --> 01:53:09,520
to look into these strange subjects

3059
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,239
and my friends i've gotta tell you

3060
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:14,480
coming up on this journey

3061
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:18,080
i have some incredible new guests with

3062
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:21,199
incredible things to share that i will

3063
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:24,719
be sharing with all of my friends here

3064
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:27,760
on the midnight hour show

3065
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:29,599
but not just that

3066
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:32,880
i've also got some special reports that

3067
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:35,199
i have been working on

3068
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:37,679
some investigations that i have been

3069
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:41,280
running that i will soon be sharing the

3070
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:42,560
results of

3071
01:53:46,780 --> 01:53:45,520
with my friends right here on the

3072
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:46,790
midnight hour show

3073
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:48,960
[Music]

3074
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:52,000
until then my friends my name is stephen

3075
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:55,520
cambion also known as the mystery man

3076
01:54:02,709 --> 01:53:58,719
reminding you that sometimes a pleasant

3077
01:54:04,420 --> 01:54:02,719
illusion is better than a harsh reality